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Pro-Russian demonstrators burn books, storm buildings in eastern Ukraine
Reuters ^ | March 16, 2014 | Lina Kushch

Posted on 03/16/2014 2:38:00 PM PDT by No One Special

Pro-Russian demonstrators in eastern Ukraine smashed their way into public buildings and burned Ukrainian-language books on Sunday in further protests following two deadly clashes in the region last week.

Protests, some several thousand strong, spread to Russian-speaking southern districts as Ukraine's Crimean peninsula, under the control of the Russian military for two weeks, voted in a referendum on joining Russia.

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In Kharkiv, Reuters Television footage showed pro-Russian activists scaling an iron gate, smashing a van and breaking into the offices of a Ukrainian cultural center. Two policemen stood nearby, examining the van.

The footage then showed young men seizing Ukrainian-language books, including a volume devoted to the 1932-1933 man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine, which killed from 7-10 million people.

"Do you see what they print here?" one activist said to another.

The activists then took the books into the street and set them alight in small bonfires...

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; communism; communists; holodomor; kgb; putin; russia; sovietunion; ukraine; uukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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To: No One Special

Reset button back to the Soviet Union... and The Second World War that Barba Rosa treaty Russians are still fighting.


51 posted on 03/16/2014 6:17:16 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Got a link?


52 posted on 03/16/2014 6:31:05 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: dfwgator
I don’t think Putin is stupid enough to directly threaten NATO states.

I'm afraid he is. Putin perfectly knows that only a few nuclear explosions all over Europe and USA will shake the foundations of the western alliance strong enough to sign a truce on any conditions to avoid any further destruction. As a result, he will keep the former Warsaw Pact countries to the cheers and sigh of relief of the western world that the war nightmare is over.

People in the West seem to suffer from a strange kind of paranoid. They seem to think that before 1990 it was a bad evil empire that threatened the world, while now, it is a democratic Russia which got rid of her gruesome Soviet past, just as if the 70 years of marxist brain washing, all that anti American and anti Western imperial indoctrination of conquering the world suddenly disappeared from millions of brains with no trace? Sorry, no offense intended. This is blindness and gullibility I cannot comprehend.

So, I don't believe any western promises and I'm expecting the worst. Anyway, I still hope the West will wake up in time before the Russian Bear awakes it with a nuclear kick.

I'm sorry to say that but the spirit of Chamberlain seems to be still alive and kicking in the western world.

53 posted on 03/16/2014 6:42:32 PM PDT by Matt_DZ_PL
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To: Matt_DZ_PL

How are the Poles reacting? Frankly, I’d have their troops poised to move into Western Ukraine if the Russians threaten that region. Poland may have to take the lead, because the US sure won’t do it, at least under this Administration.

Then there is the little matter of Kaliningrad.

I pray it doesn’t come to that.


54 posted on 03/16/2014 6:50:03 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: No One Special

“...and burned Ukrainian-language books on Sunday.”

I think it is more a case of erasing the Ukrainian language. I watched some long history on youtube and time and again the Ukrainians were striving to write, perform, etc. in their own language. It would grab hold for awhile, and then others (Nazis & Commies) would ban the language.

As that guy says: “language, culture, borders”.

The Russians get it. Liberals don’t.


55 posted on 03/16/2014 6:55:14 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: No One Special

“History is being erased.”

History is being _repeated_.

And with flair: “The footage then showed young men seizing Ukrainian-language books, including a volume devoted to the 1932-1933 man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine, which killed from 7-10 million people. ‘Do you see what they print here?’ one activist said to another. The activists then took the books into the street and set them alight in small bonfires...”


56 posted on 03/16/2014 6:58:26 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: trisham

“I think that Islam and Russia are our enemies.”

Islam wants us dominated or dead.

Russia just wants us to stay the he11 out of its way.


57 posted on 03/16/2014 7:01:31 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

The Soviets and now the Putinists long ago transplanted ethnic Russians into conquered areas as colonists in order to establish a firm base of support against the Captive Nations ethnics.

Looks like Putin stepped up the infiltration and the “irredentist” movement because he saw that Obama, Biden, Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry was weaklings and surrender monkeys (Libya/Benghazi, Syria, Nigeria, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, No. Korea, Venezuela, etc).

This is nothing but a Soviet/Russian “ethnic cleansing”, again, of the Ukraine. No wonder so many Ukrainians greeted the German Army as an army of liberation, after having lost 7-10 million people in the communist-created famines of the 1930’s.

However, I’m willing to bet that you never heard of or read the “Brezhnev Doctrine” of the Soviet Union in the 1960’s, the pretext for the “reinvasion” of Czechslovakia” during the “Velvet Revolution” of 1968.

Simply put, Brezhnev said that what ever country was a member of the Soviet Bloc, (i.e. Cuba specifically), would come under the Soviet Bloc military umbrella and would automatically get Soviet military support in case of revolution or invasion.

Putin is just revising this doctrine into the old Hitlerian one of “Ethnic Protection Doctrine” meaning that Russia has the right to militarily intervene in any European country that has a Russian population which claims to be persecuted/oppressed.

Next on the list: Romania, Hungary, Poland, Baltic States, and maybe even parts of Germany and the old Czechoslovakia.

“What’cha gonna do when they come for you, bad boys”?


58 posted on 03/16/2014 7:20:08 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I’m talking to about ten people from the Ukraine at this time, and none of them share you idiotic take on this.

What the hell is wrong with you? You think it is okay for Russia to march in and take over other sovereign nation’s territory? Really?

Well then I guess Mexico should just march into Texas too and annex it, since you think that’s a swell idea over in the Ukraine.


59 posted on 03/16/2014 7:21:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Looks like Putin stepped up the infiltration and the “irredentist” movement because he saw that Obama, Biden, Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry

Heck, they're too busy letting in Reconquistas from Meh Hee Co.

60 posted on 03/16/2014 7:22:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Ah yes, the old “Irredentist Movement”. Forgot about it by that much! Don Adams


61 posted on 03/16/2014 7:22:58 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: dfwgator

Russia supports terrorist states like Syria and Iran and organizations across the world, from communist groups to middle eastern terrorists like Hezbollah. Alexander Litvinenko, that fellow poisoned by Polonium 210, claimed that Al-Zawahiri was trained by the FSB. There is a possibility that Russia may have either knew about 9/11 before hand, or gave the order themselves.


62 posted on 03/16/2014 7:23:07 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: ctdonath2

“Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”


63 posted on 03/16/2014 7:28:29 PM PDT by BelleAl (Proud to be a member of the party of NO! NO more deficit spending and government control!)
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To: No One Special
Regardless of what one thinks of the leaders who are playing a "Great Game" in Ukraine, it will be hard for them NOT to let hotheads on the street dictate their next move.

The EU was suckered into overplaying their hand by the Maidan protestors. Having the Ukraine in NATO is needlessly provocative and ultimately unstable. Will we go to full-fledged war if Putin decides to invade Ukraine? Is there any support for this? So then why were we so supportive? Only because the hotheads on the ground dictated events.

Now it may be Putin's turn to be suckered into intervening further than intended. Crimea is annexed easily enough, but the Eastern Oblasts have no clear geographical boundary. The further west you go, the more ungovernable the populace becomes. Neither war nor a military frontier is in Putin's interest, or in the West's. If Russian hotheads on the ground dictate events, however, Putin may yet take this strategically poor step.

64 posted on 03/16/2014 7:53:22 PM PDT by cmj328 (We live here.)
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To: dfwgator
How are the Poles reacting?

Whatever to say, Poland has changed within a month beyond recognition. Unbelievable unity all over the country, from the left to the right. The unity that only a totally mental man could believe it a few weeks ago.

All those PC parties that were so kowtowing to Moscow, just like the currently ruling Civil Platform and the vast majority of the mass media, now speak with one hard voice. One of them used such a comparison, “When somebody wants to open the window because it’s too hot inside while somebody else wants to close that window because he feels cold in there, the wrangle is inevitable. However, if somebody else comes from the outside and tries to blow up our house, the entire former argument about the window becomes pointless and even ridiculous.”

Lots of young boys come to military offices to volunteer for the army, to enroll and stand up for the country, although there's no draft now. I can quote a 20-year-old student of the University of Poznan I saw on the main Polish news channel. He said, "I like drinking wine with friends and bopping at parties, but when I hear and see that Western response full of disgusting hypocrisy, I cannot take it anymore. The EU and the NATO have such powerful armies and other weapons that could stop Putin’s at will. However, they will sell Ukraine as soon as the scream in the media subsides, just like they sold Czechoslovakia to Hitler before WWII. That's why I’m here, just because I cannot imagine being elsewhere now.”

But, on the other hand, there's also a gloomy broad feeling that if it comes to the crunch, Poland will be left alone as usual, just like in 1939 :(

65 posted on 03/16/2014 8:09:35 PM PDT by Matt_DZ_PL
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
We can’t see exactly what was burned. I see reports that these were not books, but Right Sector (fascist party) leaflets found in the building.

The Reuters article this thread links to also stated the stuff burned was taken from Right Sector thugs who had set themselves up in the Ukrainian cultural center. IIRC this is the same location where RS had a gun battle with police a couple of nights ago.

66 posted on 03/16/2014 8:11:04 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Matt_DZ_PL
But, on the other hand, there's also a gloomy broad feeling that if it comes to the crunch, Poland will be left alone as usual, just like in 1939 :(

Sadly, I think you're right, despite being a part of NATO. As far as Crimea, I will allow Putin that one...kind of like allowing Hitler the Rhineland...but if he makes more moves, then it will be time to do something, and of course, Poland will respond if Western Ukraine (Galicia) is threatened.

67 posted on 03/16/2014 8:17:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
...respond if Western Ukraine (Galicia) is threatened.

History demonstrates that Russia, NEVER conquered Poland alone, even having a vast advantage in soldiers. This is refreshing. But then again, their 1,800 fully operational nuclear warheads.. :-(

68 posted on 03/16/2014 8:32:27 PM PDT by Matt_DZ_PL
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

The Soviets and now the Putinists long ago transplanted ethnic Russians into conquered areas as colonists in order to establish a firm base of support against the Captive Nations ethnics.”

Guess who else did exactly that. To the letter.


69 posted on 03/16/2014 8:48:00 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
Guess who else did exactly that. To the letter.

Oh boy, now you've done it.

70 posted on 03/16/2014 8:51:47 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Well pretty much every country in history that ever colonized an area did it. If people want to ignore even more history they shouldn’t be shocked that it repeats.


71 posted on 03/16/2014 8:58:20 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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Obama really went out of his way to prevent this ...


72 posted on 03/16/2014 9:58:03 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: john drake

...”Marxism’s return and creating the new Soviet man”...

Actually no....the Ukraine Government’s first “change” required all speak Ukrainian which really ticked off most Russians....bad move on Euromadien’s Gov. people because many Russians see them as Neo-Nazi’s....by doing this they were proving them right.

Burning the Ukrainian books was “payback” in the Ukraine’s Government’s face. They made their point well and noted.

Unfortunately many people want to make more of things there then the reality they are...too much speculating and propoganda on both sides.


73 posted on 03/16/2014 10:20:14 PM PDT by caww
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

A Journalist covering Ukraine wrote:

......”If there’s one thing I learned as a journalist; the news is whatever you report. And two people assume someone else is fact-checking this s***”.......


74 posted on 03/16/2014 10:24:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: DoughtyOne
LOL...some see it this way...


75 posted on 03/16/2014 10:28:26 PM PDT by caww
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To: Norm Lenhart
You mean like they do from Mexico?...We got our own problems escalating

Arrests of illegal immigrants crossing into the United States have nearly tripled in recent months in anticipation of Congressional efforts to enact comprehensive immigration legislation, border patrol agents told CBS News....

“Once the first group gets across, they call their family, they call their friends and let them know, ‘Hey the time is right, come on over,’” Border Patrol agent and union representative Chris Cabrera told CBS News.

In March 2013, .... 7,500 illegals were arrested in the Rio Grande Valley of South Texas, That’s up from 2,800 in January...(three months time increase)

Migrants ride on top of a northern bound train toward the U.S.-Mexico border in Ixtepec, in Oaxaca, southern Mexico.


76 posted on 03/16/2014 10:37:29 PM PDT by caww
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77 posted on 03/16/2014 10:40:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

78 posted on 03/16/2014 10:41:07 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

79 posted on 03/16/2014 10:42:14 PM PDT by caww
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To: dfwgator
Then there is the little matter of Kaliningrad.

You think Putin is just going to ignore Kalinigrad? The narrative to invade fits as well here as it does anywhere else.

80 posted on 03/16/2014 10:45:07 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: caww
Do the math..


81 posted on 03/16/2014 10:47:21 PM PDT by caww
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To: Matt_DZ_PL
However, they will sell Ukraine as soon as the scream in the media subsides, just like they sold Czechoslovakia to Hitler before WWII. That's why I’m here, just because I cannot imagine being elsewhere now.”

Exactly. We let Poland hang for 50 years because of Roosevelt and the Democrats. If Russia invades Poland, I'll go over.

82 posted on 03/16/2014 10:59:59 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: No One Special

...do they still want to join the EU and the West since we’re hanging them out to dry?


83 posted on 03/16/2014 11:32:43 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Tzimisce

I would want to be free to choose my own government.


84 posted on 03/16/2014 11:59:23 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: Norm Lenhart

Tin foil is not tin it’s aluminimum and is not dense enoungh to protect you from those unhealthy rays. It’s lead foil that will do the job. Use lead foil.


85 posted on 03/17/2014 2:59:55 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: No One Special; All
Send this story to anyone who claims the 2A is irrelevant in the modern age.
86 posted on 03/17/2014 3:06:06 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: No One Special

Who remembers the “green shoots” of a new diplomacy that were supposed to be shooting up after Hussein was first elected? And the silly editorial cartoons illustrating them?

Well, here they are. All grown up now into the poisonous swamp that liberal policies breed with alarming predictability.

All of of foreign policy diplomats are bone hard liberals with no conception of what will really happen when they project their policies on the World stage, and reality is smacking them right across the face...


87 posted on 03/17/2014 7:02:18 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: KC_Lion

Agreed.


88 posted on 03/17/2014 7:49:28 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Well said, DO.


89 posted on 03/17/2014 7:52:26 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Indeed.


90 posted on 03/17/2014 7:54:15 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

If you were Ukrainian and wanted to join Russia, you would have to have a short memory or just be stupid.


91 posted on 03/17/2014 7:56:23 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

How much does Putin pay you to push his propaganda? Or do you do it for free?


92 posted on 03/17/2014 8:36:20 AM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Better dead than Red. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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To: john drake

“....Where’s Ronald Reagan when you need him?...”

Long gone and deeply missed.

But He already did his part.


93 posted on 03/17/2014 9:26:15 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

Sorry, I wasn’t aware that the history of this planet, one which a thinking person can go into any library and read, was Propaganda”, Putin or otherwise.

Ok, my turn. Are you proud of the ignorance you repeatedly show in these threads or just lacking in awareness of it? Because considering the above, it could go either way.


94 posted on 03/17/2014 1:09:01 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

To equate the support America has given to freedom fighters the world over to the naked aggression on display by Putin is anti-American claptrap. You sound just like an American hating leftist.


95 posted on 03/17/2014 2:23:11 PM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Better dead than Red. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

Spare me your ignorance of history. Also, spare the rest of us your misplaced hyperpatriotism.

I find it odd that so recent a signup such as yourself has put himself at odds with so many of us. One might think, combined with your proven lack of knowledge on how the world actually works and has worked for a while now, they you are yet another Lib toll.


96 posted on 03/17/2014 2:29:14 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: NFHale

Very deeply missed, each and every day. We were lucky beyond belief to have had him.


97 posted on 03/17/2014 4:42:37 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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To: bobby.223

We were blessed.


98 posted on 03/17/2014 4:43:13 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

He was an amazing, thoroughly, and truly American.


99 posted on 03/17/2014 5:15:33 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

He was a mensch.


100 posted on 03/17/2014 5:19:55 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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