I do not believe Virginia is a lost cause even though the last few elections have been lost.
Thanks for third time.
Posted on 03/18/2014 2:32:32 AM PDT by Jacquerie
> Some people agreed with my post.
Of the people who agreed with you, I can find none who shows any depth of knowledge whatsoever of the issue. They do, however, display rampant fear and distrust, as do you.
Unfortunately, it appears that the fear and mistrust is of the Founders and the American people’s ability to use the tools given to them by the Framers of the Constitution.
Please, read the material... inform yourself, then become part of the solution.
An Article V Convention of States - A Solution as Big as the Problem
http://www.conventionofstates.com/
> We can drive out innumerable commies in the meantime - or can we?
There is one other aspect to all of this that bears mentioning. Even if this effort were to ultimately fail, either because the convention delegates are not able to agree on even one proposed amendment, or even worse, if we fail to muster enough states to force Congress to call for the convention in the first place, just the very fact that the people out here are fed up enough with the status quo to rise up, independent of Congress, and actually make an attempt at taking back the reins of power just might be enough to get their attention back east, to get Congress to change its ways… maybe just a little.
I read recently that it was the threat of a convention of states back in the early 1900s that drove Congress to enact the 17th Amendment, the direct election of senators. Now, whether or not that idea worked out as planned is another matter altogether, but you get the point. At this stage of the game, even if they only change a little, every little bit helps… at the very least, until we get the numbers to do it all, and do it right!
Thanks for all that cute detail.
YOUR purpose is ‘limit what the govt can do,’ but the purpose of the MARXISTS who keep defeating patriots is ‘hijack/sabotage every governing process to expand what government can do.’
So far, they’ve installed a jihad with no birth certificate and seven (7) stolen SSNs, and the media is blackmailed/threatened into silence.
STEP ONE: Remove and prosecute our modern-day Nazis from the ranks of the US govt.
STEP TWO: Once the govt is semi-clear of virulent Communists and Mafia intimidation, let’s hold whatever conventions you want.
Otherwise we’re asking to ALTER the Constitution while the Fourth Reich is in control of every aspect of our society, from the Oval Office down to Dog Catcher.
Ask (Hawaii) Governor Abercrombie how he’ll enjoy helping you while he’s busy covering his own Treason in lying for Hussein and covering up his ‘im gonna release the BC.... oh wait there isnt any BC.... oh wait i dont want my family murdered so im dropping the subject....’ routine.
Excellent post!
Look, I’m on board 100% with identifying all the problems, I swear! We know the issues, and we know that they are only getting worse. We ALSO know that if things continue on the current track, tomorrow will make today look like a cakewalk.
This is not an either-or proposition here, LL... there is no one here saying that we must stop trying to elect good people to replace the bad and devote all of our energy to mounting an Article V challenge. All we’re asking people to do is redirect some of the energy used to criticize this movement toward education, and in some cases, starting with themselves.
I noted that you referred to my previous post as “cute details,” and I’ll apologize if I sounded like I was preaching. That wasn’t my intent. You seem to me to be a passionate patriot, and that’s a good thing... it’s what we want... it’s what we need. I was simply trying to respond to the specific fears that you expressed. The last thing in the world I would want to do is alienate any patriot, passionate or otherwise. It’s just that there are too may people out there who have let fear cloud their reason, and if I can help lift the veil for even one of our valued conservatives, then I’ll feel as if I’ve done my part for the day.
Let me emphasize one point that I may have glossed over in my earlier post - no matter what comes out of an Article V Convention of States, it will only be a proposal, not an amendment. It does not become an amendment until 38 state legislatures ratify it, and no one expects the legislatures of Hawaii or California or New York or Illinois to help in that regard. We conservatives in the Red and Purple states will have to do lean on our legislators without any help from the Blue end of the political spectrum, which is unfortunate, because this truly is not a partisan issue. No Congress should be allowed to pass laws and then declare themselves to be above them, I don’t care how liberal or conservative you are. It’s a basic American fundamental principle that only the most myopic partisans cannot see.
And I know that there’s at least one other good point that you raised that deserves a response, but I’m being called to dinner...
Thanks... just trying to do my part.
By the way, your Georgia legislature is awesome! You must be proud.
LL... I mentioned that other point that you made:
> “Otherwise we’re asking to ALTER the Constitution while the Fourth Reich is in control of every aspect of our society, from the Oval Office down to Dog Catcher.”
I would submit to you that maybe the Constitution is ripe for a little altering, at the very least, some clarification of the Founders’ language to help keep the Supreme Court from running completely off the tracks every time a lower court asks it to interpret something the Framers wrote.
Frankly, the prospect of an amendment imposing lifetime term limits on all federal officials is the primary reason that I support this movement. Since the Supreme Court in its infinite wisdom ruled that the voters of a sovereign state don’t have the right to impose term limits on their own locally-elected federal delegation, I can see no other way for us ever to bring an end to the modern-day phenomenon of the “Career Politician,” including those who wear black robes.
Resolving that one issue, I believe, would go a very long way toward eliminating many of the most pressing issues that we face. Washington, DC, without a doubt, has become the most powerful city in the world, and no one who enters its enormous sphere of influence can help but be changed by it... and usually not for the better.
It’s almost become trite to say, but it bears repeating anyway: With very few exceptions, virtually every politician’s top priority, regardless of party, platform or principles, is to get re-elected. As soon as they arrive, they are surrounded by and steeped in the “Career Mentality” that pervades Washington, D.C. It is imposed on them, particularly by the old dogs, the veterans, the party leaders, and soon the urgency of remaining a part of that culture of power supersedes anything and everything they may have promised or aspired to during their campaign. The wants and needs of the people who sent them there – the folks back home – all take a back seat to the new imperative – raise money for re-election.
And as we all know, huge amounts of re-election money come from the major political parties, so in order to maintain the party’s financial support come election time, deals are made that have nothing to do with what’s in the best interest of the voters back in the home state. Legislation is passed at the direction of the party leadership, for instance, without a single legislator having read it. Does any of this sound anywhere near like what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they coined the term, “Citizen Legislator”?
We keep sending good people to Washington, only to see them disappear into the meat-grinder that is Congress, and come out the other side just so much baloney! If they go in knowing that their term is limited by constitutional edict, I firmly believe that they will think twice before casting a vote on legislation that could have a severe impact on the very communities to which they themselves will soon be returning… to live among the rest of us, to work at a job like a normal person again, outside of the Beltway Bubble, forced to bear the burden of whatever damned-fool laws that body might pass with little or no concern for the unintended consequences they might have on the daily lives of real people throughout this country.
And before anyone says that removing the “perks” of congressional service will cause a brain drain, and that no one of any consequence will want to run for an office that they can only hold for such a short amount of time, I would submit that if the folks up there running things right now are the best and the brightest that money, power and prestige can buy, then I think it’s time to give some of us poor, stupid people a chance… we couldn’t possibly screw it up any worse!
This may be our best and last chance… a Convention of States. I hate to say it, but I’m afraid it’s finally come to the point where it really doesn’t matter who we elect anymore, because sooner or later, once they become a member of an elite class that exists above the very laws they impose upon the rest of us, coupled with the realization that they can stay there forever if they just play by the rules, there’s no longer any incentive for them to exercise any discretion whatsoever. Eventually, there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between any of them, and frankly… I’ve run out of dimes.
I do not believe Virginia is a lost cause even though the last few elections have been lost.
Thanks for third time.
OMG
A logical argument for term limits and an Article V convention expressed rationally
Outstanding !
Reverse your colors
Red is for commies
“Other than other freeper posts, what evidence do you have of Soros funding Mark Levin and other Article V proponents?”
Are you sure Mr Soros wants you to ask that question publicly?
STEP ONE: Clean house (remove moslems + marxists from US gov’t).
After that’s ‘done’ or ‘as done as possible,’ THEN......
STEP TWO: Consider the benefits/risks of Article V.
Again, playing ‘Let’s change the Constitution WHILE OUR GOVERNMENT IS OVERRUN WITH MOSLEM SAVAGES AND MARXIST TRAITORS FROM TOP TO BOTTOM’ isn’t a winning strategy.
> “A logical argument for term limits and an Article V convention expressed rationally”
Thank you!
> “Reverse your colors / Red is for commies”
Y’know, I’ve had a problem with the Red / Blue thing for a long time, and have often wondered what subtle, if any, message is hidden therein... then I just forgot about it. You gotta pick your battles, and if the Democrats want blue, let ‘em have it... anyway, my blood is red, and so is my neck! ;)
> “Other than other freeper posts, what evidence do you have of Soros funding Mark Levin and other Article V proponents?”
Hay Jacquerie, I think you winged me in that shotgun post... I never claimed any such thing. I know as well as you do that it’s an old trope dragged out by the fear-mongers because they have nothing else.
There is a Solution as big as the Problem - An Article V Convention of States
http://conventionofstates.com
> “Again, playing ‘Let’s change the Constitution WHILE OUR GOVERNMENT IS OVERRUN WITH MOSLEM SAVAGES AND MARXIST TRAITORS FROM TOP TO BOTTOM’ isn’t a winning strategy.”
Again, (I like that) you wouldn’t know a winning strategy if it hit you in the head!
Why can you not respond to reason? Why do you avoid having an intelligent discussion? Why do you keep repeating the same old John Birch Society talking points no matter what anyone says to you?
At some point, folks might be tempted to think that you aren’t a serious player here, but merely a troll, out on a mission to scuttle a grassroots movement by the people for freedom and liberty.
If that’s the case, though, I don’t think there’s much to worry about, because if that’s the best you have - two talking points, deflection and feigned ignorance - then your arsenal is seriously limited.
Again,
There is a Solution as big as the Problem:
An Article V Convention of States
http://conventionofstates.com
I believe what is missing from Article V is a requirement that all proposals to be acted on must be in form and substance defined before being set for convention vote and no alterations at convention, only voting for acceptance or rejection for further movement.
Not a wing shot. Just for info to a sensible freeper. I apologize for the confusion.
Specifically, LL, you never responded to either of these two posts, and I urge you to do so:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3134401/posts?q=1&;page=45#45
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3134401/posts?q=1&;page=48#48
Feel free to speak plainly, with or without benefit of bumper-stickers.
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