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Maldives 'witnesses' report seeing 'low flying jet' on morning that MH370 disappeared
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Posted on 03/18/2014 9:57:14 AM PDT by bryan999

Maldives 'witnesses' report seeing 'low flying jet' on morning that MH370 disappeared - follow latest updates on missing Malaysia Airlines plane

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KEYWORDS: iran; malaysia; malaysianairlines; maldives; maylasianairlines; mh370; waronterror
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To: bryan999

“The news came as it emerged that investigators have discovered the runways of five airports near the Indian Ocean loaded into Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s home-made flight simulator.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/18/missing-plane-mh370_n_4986445.html


51 posted on 03/18/2014 11:01:41 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: bryan999

I didn’t think Argentina was in the range of the plane.

(/Odumbobrain)


52 posted on 03/18/2014 11:02:42 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Starstruck

If the plane was going to land at an airport in this area then it would be headed in the direction of Gan International airport which is south-east of this island.


53 posted on 03/18/2014 11:04:53 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: bryan999

Being another plane was observed near the MH370 on radar,could the Chinese be testing a new cloaking device that worked?


54 posted on 03/18/2014 11:07:14 AM PDT by jetson
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To: Uncle Chip
The engine pings put it a long way from there and engine pings are a lot more reliable than someone who claims he saw something.

I wonder if that's true. Initially we were told the information sent to the satellites had location data. Later that was corrected to say there was no location data sent in those transmissions, they were merely "handshakes" indicating availability for transmission.

If that's correct then to make a guesstimate of distance from the satellite at the time of a ping they must be doing analyses of the characteristics of the signal received to come up with distance. Wouldn't surprise me if there is a huge fudge factor in that analysis.

55 posted on 03/18/2014 11:12:53 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

but what about pinger being turned off? Why?


56 posted on 03/18/2014 11:15:18 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: outpostinmass2; Starstruck
"If the plane was going to land at an airport in this area then it would be headed in the direction of Gan International airport which is south-east of this island."

Or, it could have headed to one of the "practice runways" found on the pilots simulator... the Male International Airport in Maldives

57 posted on 03/18/2014 11:15:58 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: DCBryan1

Two guys couldn’t refuel or flight prep the aircraft. Hard to get off a triple 7 without a jetway. If they deployed the chutes, that messes up a lot of checklists.

No, *IF* they landed, unloaded, refueled and took off ... they had logistical support.


58 posted on 03/18/2014 11:19:41 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: dinoparty
The pinger kept going until about 8:10 a.m. was the last info they gave on that. That's how they came up with these orange arcs on their map. I wonder how accurate these orange arcs really are. If the Maldives sighting is bona find, then not very accurate.


59 posted on 03/18/2014 11:21:24 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

A handshake with a little fudge is better than nothing —


60 posted on 03/18/2014 11:40:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Meet the New Boss

If the satellite pings occurred every hour, and the last ping was at 8:11 a.m. KL time, and these Maldives witnesses did in fact see the plane at 8:15 a.m. KL time, then if the Goodfellow theory is correct the plane crashed not long after the sighting at Maldives, because there was no ping at 9:11 a.m.

The place to search for debris would be extrapolating the flight path from the Strait of Malacca to Kuda Huvadhoo and onward for up to 56 minutes of flying time.


61 posted on 03/18/2014 11:41:09 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: bryan999

Anybody remember the crash that killed Payne Stewart? I do cause I’m a golfer and his agent, Robert Fraley played at Alabama. Anyway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash


62 posted on 03/18/2014 11:45:39 AM PDT by saleman
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To: saleman

Following the depressurization, the pilots did not receive supplemental oxygen in sufficient time and/or adequate concentration to avoid hypoxia and incapacitation. The wreckage indicated that the oxygen bottle pressure regulator/shutoff valve was open on the accident flight. Further, although one flight crew mask hose connector was found in the wreckage disconnected from its valve receptacle (the other connector was not recovered), damage to the recovered connector and both receptacles was consistent with both flight crew masks having been connected to the airplane’s oxygen supply lines at the time of impact. In addition, both flight crew mask microphones were found plugged into their respective crew microphone jacks. Therefore, assuming the oxygen bottle contained an adequate supply of oxygen, supplemental oxygen should have been available to both pilots’ oxygen masks.

[A] possible explanation for the failure of the pilots to receive emergency oxygen is that their ability to think and act decisively was impaired because of hypoxia before they could don their oxygen masks. No definitive evidence exists that indicates the rate at which the accident flight lost its cabin pressure; therefore, the Safety Board evaluated conditions of both rapid and gradual depressurization.

If there had been a breach in the fuselage (even a small one that could not be visually detected by the in-flight observers) or a seal failure, the cabin could have depressurized gradually, rapidly, or even explosively. Research has shown that a period of as little as 8 seconds without supplemental oxygen following rapid depressurization to about 30,000 feet (9,100 m) may cause a drop in oxygen saturation that can significantly impair cognitive functioning and increase the amount of time required to complete complex tasks.

A more gradual decompression could have resulted from other possible causes, such as a smaller leak in the pressure vessel or a closed flow control valve. Safety Board testing determined that a closed flow control valve would cause complete depressurization to the airplane’s flight altitude over a period of several minutes. However, without supplemental oxygen, substantial adverse effects on cognitive and motor skills would have been expected soon after the first clear indication of decompression (the cabin altitude warning), when the cabin altitude reached 10,000 feet (3,000 m) (which could have occurred in about 30 seconds).

Investigations of other accidents in which flight crews attempted to diagnose a pressurization problem or initiate emergency pressurization instead of immediately donning oxygen masks following a cabin altitude alert have revealed that, even with a relatively gradual rate of depressurization, pilots have rapidly lost cognitive or motor abilities to effectively troubleshoot the problem or don their masks shortly thereafter. In this accident, the flight crew’s failure to obtain supplemental oxygen in time to avoid incapacitation could be explained by a delay in donning oxygen masks of only a few seconds in the case of an explosive or rapid decompression or a slightly longer delay in the case of a gradual decompression.

In summary, the Safety Board was unable to determine why the flight crew could not, or did not, receive supplemental oxygen in sufficient time and/or adequate concentration to avoid hypoxia and incapacitation.[1]

Conclusions from the investigation of the Payne Stewart accident. And my hypothesis....Hey mines as good as anyone’s


63 posted on 03/18/2014 11:52:34 AM PDT by saleman
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To: rxsid

If the pilot was smart enough to pull this off, he would be smart enough to ditch any/all evidence of where he was going. Or at least try to.

There are three big reasons why that flight sim (heck, even the whole computer) would have been found as it was: he was stupid, he wanted to distract from his real destination or he was coerced and wanted to leave bread crumbs.


64 posted on 03/18/2014 12:03:20 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: saleman

There is NO comparison between these two airplanes. The SIZE difference makes comparison unviable.


65 posted on 03/18/2014 12:14:53 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman
I'm sure no expert. But cabin de-pressurization is the same big plane or small. Hypoxia is the same no matter what size plane. Systems are, I'm sure, different. But my bet is on catastrophic depressurization. The cause of which, I have no idea. Causing disorientation and then unconsciousness. Then the plane just flies on until it runs out of fuel.

Or, it could be Aliens. Or it flew into a parallel dimension. Or......

66 posted on 03/18/2014 12:24:40 PM PDT by saleman
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To: bryan999; maggief; outpostinmass2; WildHighlander57; Jim Robinson; LucyT

Bringing it all together here!
.....
outpostinmass. Please elaborate on this post from another thread: how did you come to that conclusion

To: outpostinmass2
It looks like it was headed fo Gan International airport in Maldives
43 posted on March 18, 2014, 12:34:40 PM EDT by outpostinmass2

Xxxxxxx
Maggie will you post your information here too


67 posted on 03/18/2014 12:25:18 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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Maldives matches this report in which they found Maldives runways loaded into the pilot’s flight simulator:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3134413/posts


68 posted on 03/18/2014 12:28:07 PM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: outpostinmass2

Actually I tend to believe the “eye witnesses”. They know an airplane when they see one up close. They know whether planes routinely fly that low over their island or not. Very, very loud means the engines were running. Being that low, the plane was either going to land or crash. If the timeline and the direction fit, then why would anyone be looking anywhere else?

It is reported that no plane should have been in the area at the time. They described the plane they saw as being white with markings consistent with Malaysian Airlines MH370.


69 posted on 03/18/2014 12:28:10 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: outpostinmass2; maggief; WildHighlander57

Good you are already here with an explanation
Simple a matter a drawing a straight line from ... A to B


70 posted on 03/18/2014 12:34:07 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: hoosiermama; maggief; LucyT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3134508/posts?page=43#43

Link to other thread


71 posted on 03/18/2014 12:36:22 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: hoosiermama

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-live-3254541#ixzz2wL7qcsAl

5:38 pm
BREAKING NEWS

People living in the Maldives claim to have seen a “low flying jet” going over one of the islands on the morning of the disappearance of flight MH370.

Local website Haveeru says several residents report the sighting at around 6.15am on March 8.

They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which would roughly match a Malaysia Airlines aircraft.

“I’ve never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We’ve seen seaplanes, but I’m sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly,” said an eyewitness.

“It’s not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too.”

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3134563/posts

Montol said that at 1:28 a.m., Thai military radar “was able to detect a signal, which was not a normal signal, of a plane flying in the direction opposite from the MH370 plane,” back toward Kuala Lumpur. The plane later turned right, toward Butterworth, a Malaysian city along the Strait of Malacca. The radar signal was infrequent and did not include any data such as the flight number.

He said he didn’t know exactly when Thai radar last detected the plane. Malaysian officials have said Flight 370 was last detected by their own military radar at 2:14 a.m.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Butterworth,+Penang/@1.964772,92.1131727,5z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x304ac5069ac06373:0x


72 posted on 03/18/2014 12:43:09 PM PDT by maggief
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To: bryan999; a fool in paradise

I don’t wanna hijack the thread, but the Maldives should really go back to Argentina!


73 posted on 03/18/2014 12:45:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: bryan999

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3134508/posts?page=43#43

Link to other thread


74 posted on 03/18/2014 12:45:27 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: maggief

Maldives is small and on the way to Somalia.

Why would the plane need to fly low over them way out in the middle of nowhere??


75 posted on 03/18/2014 12:51:12 PM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: hoosiermama

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-residents-on-remote-island-in-maldives-saw-jet-matching-missing-malaysia-airlines-planes-description-4640688/

Several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo, in Dhaalu Atoll, said they saw a white aircraft with red stripes flying so low over the island the plane’s doors were clearly visible.

Islanders claim they were disturbed by an incredibly loud noise at about 6.15am local time on March 8 and saw a plane travelling from north to south-east, towards Addu – the southern tip of Maldives, it is reported.


Kuda Huvadhoo is northwest of Gan International airport. I would guess the plane ran out of fuel and is in the ocean between Kuda Huvadhoo and Gan International airport.


76 posted on 03/18/2014 1:30:55 PM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: angcat

Except when a 30-50ft tsunami comes through the neighborhood. Not much high ground to get to.


77 posted on 03/18/2014 1:52:42 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: outpostinmass2; maggief

Wish there was someone you could contact. You certainly have been on target thus far

Maggie do you still have the link to the site that would enable us to take a peek!


78 posted on 03/18/2014 1:55:26 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: hoosiermama

http://www.haveeru.com.mv


79 posted on 03/18/2014 2:13:56 PM PDT by maggief
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To: outpostinmass2; hoosiermama; WildHighlander57

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54067

Maldives police on Tuesday announced an investigation into reports that residents of the remote Maldives island of Kuda Huvadhoo in Dhaal Atoll have seen a “low flying jumbo jet” on the morning of the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

But the police did not reveal any details.

Whilst the disappearance of the Boeing 777 jet, carrying 239 passengers has left the whole world in bewilderment, several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo told Haveeru on Tuesday that they saw a “low flying jumbo jet” at around 6:15am on March 8.

They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which is what the Malaysia Airlines flights typically look like.

Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu. They also noted the incredibly loud noise that the flight made when it flew over the island.

A local aviation expert told Haveeru that it is “likely” for MH370 to have flown over the Maldives. The possibility of any aircraft flying over the island at the reported time is extremely low, the expert added.


80 posted on 03/18/2014 2:27:50 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

This was on a link from above
Xxxxxx
An article was published by science fiction author Jim Harwood on his personal blog suggesting that Maldives or Diego Garcia to be possible locations for the missing flight, carrying 239 people, to have landed at. The article, which entertained far-fetched theories about the missing plane, was widely shared by Maldivians on social media.


81 posted on 03/18/2014 2:36:23 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: alancarp

Max range at max payload for a 777-200 ER is 7725 nautical miles.
They weren’t at max payload.


82 posted on 03/18/2014 2:39:57 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: bigdaddy45

Corpses are easy - throw them out of the plane over the ocean. Heck, in South America they don’t even kill people before they do that.


83 posted on 03/18/2014 2:44:40 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: alancarp

On April 2, 1997 a Malaysia Airlines 777 ER flew from Seattle to Kuala Lumpur on the longer great circle route eastwards10,823 NMs non-stop in 21 hrs 23 mins. and set a then world record.

I would love to know if Capt. Shah was one of the crew on that trip.


84 posted on 03/18/2014 2:47:50 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: All

Has Capt Shah’s family ever turned up?

Has anyone posited on the chance of them being held hostage by radicals?

“Co operate Captain or we will cut your kid’d head off” ?


85 posted on 03/18/2014 2:51:48 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: bryan999

Great circle distance from KUL to MLE (Kuala Lampur to Hulhule, Maldives) is 1691 nautical miles. And the time (06:30) is about right. This may be something - however, if we don’t hear any more about it, that does not mean it wasn’t valid, only that someone does not think the public can handle the truth of what has happened to MH 370.


86 posted on 03/18/2014 3:08:24 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Rockpile

Was it an ER model? Hadn’t seen that. Of course if so, then yeah: all bets are still in play.


87 posted on 03/18/2014 3:11:06 PM PDT by alancarp
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To: Rockpile

They have two homes. It my understanding they only stay at the house close to the airport when dad was in town


88 posted on 03/18/2014 3:29:24 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: alancarp

Yes. The-——Government owned-——Airline operates 14 777ERs. Or rather, 13 now.

They are a fair sized operation. I think they have cotracted for some A380 junbos.

You know I still would like to know where the pilot’s wife and kids are. It seemed like at least something to check out and make sure they were not being used as hostages.


89 posted on 03/18/2014 3:30:04 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: All

The Gan airfield at Addu is an ex RAF station. It is certainly big enough for a hypothetical 777. They operate 757 and 767 and A 320 for the tourist trade.

BTW, the hardcore Islamists recently destroyed ALL of the ancient Hindu and Buddhist cultural remains in the Maldives.


90 posted on 03/18/2014 3:35:06 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: hoosiermama

Indeed. Have seen no mention of the family from reporters except for “he sent them away” .


91 posted on 03/18/2014 3:36:28 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Talisker

Really. So you’re going to open a door on a 777 in mid flight, AND, manually throw out 230 bodies. Sure, piece of cake.


92 posted on 03/18/2014 3:43:40 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Rockpile

May have lost something in the translation


93 posted on 03/18/2014 3:53:43 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Tzfat

If it was low enough to see the doors
And it had run out of gas and was loosing altitude

How much longer could it stay in the air?


94 posted on 03/18/2014 3:56:18 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: outpostinmass2

The Gang airfield angles from north-northeast to south-southwest. To land there one would want to fly over the populated part of Maledives headed to end up north of Gang and a little to the east.

Flying low to avoid the Diego Garcia radar that is only 440 miles south, one would keep their approach low.

If Gang has radar, they saw it when it approached their area as would the main airport to the north.


95 posted on 03/18/2014 4:05:37 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: Rockpile

see my #95


96 posted on 03/18/2014 4:06:27 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: Tzfat; maggief; WildHighlander57

Does this fit into the puzzle?

http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9844415/Plane-satellite-image-uncovered


97 posted on 03/18/2014 4:09:26 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: bryan999
I said last week:

Radar Shows Plane Deliberately Flew Toward Indian Ocean: Reports

‎3‎/‎14‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎14‎:‎00‎ ‎AM · 40 of 237

Mat_Helm to SatinDoll

"Probably landed in the Maldive's at Male Island (10,000ft runway)refueled and on to Iran. Did the copilot wait for the captain to leave the cockpit and let his Iranian buddies in, lock the door and put on oxygen, depressurize the cabin to kill the passengers and crew at altitude? Boeing 777 converted to a nuclear bomber soon on its way to Tel Aviv or New York."

98 posted on 03/18/2014 4:12:13 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: Mat_Helm

Only it was the captain who has been practicing this approach on his home flight simulator!


99 posted on 03/18/2014 4:14:21 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: bryan999

I said last week he flew through the Maldives and probably landed on Male Island’s 10,000ft runway. What is the approach plate for Male? The Runway is on a heading of 360 and the sighting was @90 miles away on the downwind approach south/southwest of the runway, just where I would expect to find FLT370 sneaking in for a quick landing and refuel. If the sightings are valid and I believe they are satellite images should pick up a departure and track it to the next destination.


100 posted on 03/18/2014 4:15:51 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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