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Malaysia Airlines MH370: Tony Abbott says possible debris found in Indian Ocean [live thread]
ABC.net.au ^ | March 19, 2014

Posted on 03/19/2014 8:22:10 PM PDT by rdl6989

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To: Yosemitest

>>>My Airport of Interest are:

>>>UDHAMPUR (VIUX)
>>>Runway [18 36] 9028.8 x 148 ft, Asphalt

Controlled by Indian Airforce. Access is not that easy, because of High ranges and narrow valley. No chance.

>>>Sialkot International Airport (IATA: SKT, ICAO: OPST)
>>>Runway 22/04 11811 x 148 ASP
Pakistan controlled. Anything is possible.

>>>>GILGIT (OPGT) Gilgit, Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakistan
>>>Runway [07 25] 5385.6 x 98 ft, Asphalt
>>>Runway 09 / 27 1003.2 x 49 ft / 306 x 15 m
Controlled by Pakistan and Chinese Airforce and spied by US and India.

>>>>Skardu Airport Pakistan (OPSD), IATA: KDU
>>>Runway: 14/32 11944 Ft x 100 Ft ASP
>>>>Runway: 15/33 6501 Ft x 101 Ft ASP
Controlled by Pakistan Airforce. Monitored/spied by India and US.


451 posted on 03/20/2014 10:18:24 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: Yosemitest

Thank you for all your work and the illuminating post. BTTT.


452 posted on 03/20/2014 10:21:24 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

I hope Israel puts it to use, even though they’re probably far ahead of me and my few thoughts.


453 posted on 03/20/2014 10:22:55 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: jennychase

With most fuel gone 777 much lighter, also 777 has been said to have “robust” reverse thrusters, that and computerized ABS braking pushed to the max I believe the 777 could have landed on a very short runway, even less than 3500 if it had to be done.
Would be interesting to see some FAA reports of jumbo jets and emergency landings and what they took, like that infamous SuperGuppy 747 that landed on a small airstrip last year.


454 posted on 03/20/2014 10:24:18 PM PDT by Spartan302
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To: jennychase
Thanks.
Those were my "guess-ta-mations" before Gen. McInerney spoke today, and he's much closer to the sources who really know.
455 posted on 03/20/2014 10:24:38 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Spartan302
Ponder this: I think the smaller airport would only be useful IF ...
456 posted on 03/20/2014 10:31:17 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

I think that 777 is being chopped up piece by piece and being systematically destroyed.
All the ROP has to do is keep certain electronic signature devices on board and either place them in a cargo manifest on another plane to be remotely activated as that plane enters say Israeli airspace or cloned and sent with several planes say flying into or near NYC.

Officials get a sudden radio signature that incoming identifier signals say MH370 and in the confusion and fear send out fighters who start shooting at anything sending transmissions, from the cargo holds.

If I were ROP that may be one of my plans.


457 posted on 03/20/2014 10:33:10 PM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Yosemitest
I hope Israel puts it to use, even though they’re probably far ahead of me and my few thoughts.

I agree. If and that is still an "if", the condemnations will be flying from everywhere including the horse head, Israel has no choice. It is existential.
458 posted on 03/20/2014 10:37:32 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Spartan302
I don't.
I believe it will be used against the United States or Israel in an attack similar to the World Trade Center Attack, but this time with nuclear weapons.
And IF it's done at altitude, then an Electro Magnetic Pulse attack fries electric circuits over many, many miles and society is suddenly thrown back hundreds of years.

It's a REAL ... DOABLE ... ATTACK.
459 posted on 03/20/2014 10:52:35 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

What would a senior officer in the IDF do if they suddenly intercepted rogue radio transmissions from a disguised portable device that was saying its the missing 777 thats been placed on board another 777 about to land in Israel?

Or about to land in NYC?

Do they trust the pilot and his ID, or do they jump the gun literally?

And say in that cargo package is several of the passengers cell phones, and they are all timed to be turned on also?

The actual jet is trash, no way it can be effectively spoofed and inserted covertly, too many IFF protocols are going to go into effect. Besides I think the prize was NOT the jet, something else, passengers or cargo.


460 posted on 03/20/2014 11:17:30 PM PDT by Spartan302
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461 posted on 03/20/2014 11:36:42 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Spartan302
Why would you think that ?
False papers are done all the time for aircraft.
One it goes into a country not friendly to inspectors, but that receives other 777s from other countries, anything is possible, especially if that country's government is vouching for the aircraft.
Do you think that the ACARS system can't be removed?
And transponders codes are changed all the time, to verify identity, on a new route clearance.
Civilian aircraft, unlike military aircraft usually only have "Mode C" transponders, and aren't equipped with military transponders.
For more information, check out the Airmans Information Manual and Paragraph 4-1-20. Transponder Operation
Check out Section 4. Two‐way Radio Communications Failure
They FOLLOW ORDERS, ORDERS FROM THEIR COMMANDER IN CHIEF .
It's pretty cut and dry !
I don't.

Read Zephaniah 1 and Ezekiel 38 .
462 posted on 03/21/2014 12:01:03 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Spartan302
One more reference to think about: read Matthew 24:15-31 with special attention paid to verses 21 and 22.

BOOM !
463 posted on 03/21/2014 12:27:11 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Lucky9teen

The one I’m looking for is where the underwater robot finds the fake Oceania airliner underwater. Great scene.

I’d like to have that clip.


464 posted on 03/21/2014 12:30:23 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: octex
"To show my age, I’ll say that before and after my active duty Navy service I was in a Naval Reserve Squadron that flew P-2V Neptunes, which were not pressurized."

My first encounter with a P-2V was when we surfaced in this vessel and the P-2V took our picture.

465 posted on 03/21/2014 5:06:17 AM PDT by blam
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To: Yosemitest
If our military really knows where it's at, then I hope they bring it down in full fury onto the terrorists' heads.

I agree, however, our CIC is Barack Hussein Obama and terror attacks do not occur on his watch. Remember Benghazi was caused by a video. ;) I don't mean to be cynical, but I am skeptical of this administration based on there past actions.

466 posted on 03/21/2014 5:30:34 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Christian, Freeper, Tea Party Member, Bitter Clinger, Creepy White Cracker)
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To: F15Eagle


I'll have to look for an actual clip....it's not easy to find. Have you looked at www.lostpedia.com?
467 posted on 03/21/2014 5:46:18 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it. ~ Albert Einstein)
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To: All
General Mcinerney maybe not be giving a source for his info but so far he has been right about them not finding anything in the South
468 posted on 03/21/2014 8:24:35 AM PDT by mulder1 ("The past is prologue")
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To: Lucky9teen

Not yet. Didn’t know they might have clips. I guess I thought they’d be on Hulu forever (oops).

That was such an awesome opening.

The only one that perhaps slightly beats it, and I’m definitely against promoting pseudo-Egyptian pagan culture, is the opening scene where Jacob is knitting on the tapestry and the bad guy comes and sits down and Jacob offers him breakfast and they look at the approaching ship.

It’s very well-played (acted) IMHO. Some very fine acting there.

From “The Incident” - ping me if you find that other clip. Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SPqImu_kz8


469 posted on 03/21/2014 11:24:05 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: CodeJockey
The ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF has definitely been arming his Muslim Brotherhood buddies, alright.




470 posted on 03/21/2014 1:37:24 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: bonfire

Listening to SH’s radio show today made it sound like it is just his opinion.


471 posted on 03/21/2014 2:04:51 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: F15Eagle
I hate to feed a theory I don't believe in, but try Airport '77.
472 posted on 03/21/2014 2:07:48 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

I, too, am wondering if it is a hijacking gone bad. Someone smart enough to get certain things done, but unable to safely navigate the plane to landing (are we still of the belief the engines didn’t transmit ‘gear down’? - don’t know how they wired that, but not impossible, of course).


473 posted on 03/21/2014 2:10:25 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle
It's not something that I believe has happened.
Is it possible ?
Yes, and an airline pilot today on talk radio (I believe the Hannity Radio Show) explained a theory on "HOW" it's possible.
But I don't believe it's probable.
I believe that Gen. McInerney is accurate, and his extended discussion on Hannity's Radio Show today, makes me more confident that MH370 landed in Pakistan.
Gen. McInerney announced, and Hannity confirmed, that he'll be appearing again tonight on the FoxNews Hannity show.
I'll be watching and listening. Someone smart enough to pull this off, has to have many years familiarity with that airspace and its weaknesses, those air traffic control frequencies from the different controlling sectors, and familiarity with a Boeing 777.
That person has to be Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, the pilot of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.
And he knew how to get the "gear down' and navigate the plane to a safe landing.
474 posted on 03/21/2014 2:43:54 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

There was definitely some engineering of waypoints, etc. to steal / hijack this aircraft. Somewhat sophisticated, I’d say. With a few blunders. I’d say calling out the altitude a second time was a diversion attempt to fool the flight controllers who would have been taking over on the Westward path.

Strange, strange stuff here.


475 posted on 03/21/2014 2:48:24 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: RummyChick

Tell us more of what they said. Surely they gave details


476 posted on 03/21/2014 3:33:50 PM PDT by Figment
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To: hoosiermama

“I think the original turn to the left was to land. They were probably unconscious before that could happen. Then it just kept on going till it ran out of gas.
Is there any news tonight?”

After all that has been claimed and disclaimed over the past two weeks, nothing else has any credibility than hypoxia. The Malaysian government has not spoken one word of truth in this entire episode, and it is their word that is scattering the search to the four winds. The story of transponder being turned off is probably not even true. I hope the wreckage is found and black box recovered, but I doubt it will be on dry land


477 posted on 03/21/2014 3:42:43 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Figment

The government. Of Malaysia is Muslim To promote other theories is in itself promoting fear—terror
Liars are Heroes in that culture


478 posted on 03/21/2014 3:54:56 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: hoosiermama

Any updates on the search down under?


479 posted on 03/21/2014 6:13:20 PM PDT by BigIsleGal (Wake Me Up When the Stupid Wears Off)
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To: LucyT; naturalman1975; Ghost of SVR4; Old Sarge; shibumi; Michael Barnes; Mossad1967; brucecw

Most creditable explanation, yet you won’t see it on the drive-by!!!

http://www.erikrush.com/author/erush/


480 posted on 03/21/2014 6:24:18 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco; Old Sarge; Ghost of SVR4; Red Steel; shibumi; Michael Barnes; Mossad1967; brucecw; ...
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Check out link at # 480. - If you're reluctant to click on it, then frmail me and I'll send you the article.

Thanks, danamco.

Many thanks to Porter_Knorr for designing the new TM avatars. Nice! Appreciate it.

481 posted on 03/21/2014 6:35:17 PM PDT by LucyT (If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: BigIsleGal

Was just wondering the same thing!

I’ve worked outside in the garden again today and am just now settling in

If you hear anything please ping me!


482 posted on 03/21/2014 6:36:12 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: danamco

Interesting read.


483 posted on 03/21/2014 7:19:34 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: LucyT; BigIsleGal; maggief

BIG
See Lucy’s post
Didn’t realize Diego Garcia was a CIA base

No way they don’t know where the plane is!

Maggie make the person we discussed earlier disinformation a bigger possibility

Point the finger—— squirrel!


484 posted on 03/21/2014 7:26:00 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: All
Wow! General Mcinerney just handed that British Air force Colonel on Hannity his head.LOL
485 posted on 03/21/2014 7:42:54 PM PDT by mulder1 ("The past is prologue")
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To: BigIsleGal

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3135972/posts#comment


486 posted on 03/21/2014 7:49:22 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: BigIsleGal; LucyT; maggief; WildHighlander57; don-o

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3135989/posts
Woman said she saw plane in water from another plane


487 posted on 03/21/2014 9:00:54 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: mulder1

Hannity

Closer look at Gen. McInerney’s missing plane theory

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3374590856001/closer-look-at-gen-mcinerneys-missing-plane-theory/#sp=show-clips

Mar. 21, 2014 - 9:14 - McInerney on where investigators should be focusing their efforts


488 posted on 03/21/2014 9:16:38 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: hoosiermama

It just keeps squeaking out


489 posted on 03/21/2014 10:29:42 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: All

Two strange things in transcript article

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/missing-plane-transcript-Malaysia-Airlines/2014/03/21/id/561067/?ns_mail_uid=55022755&ns_mail_job=1561307_03222014&promo_code=16E46-1


490 posted on 03/22/2014 5:46:45 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: hoosiermama

Images since disappearance

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-images/2014/03/18/id/560276/


491 posted on 03/22/2014 5:52:35 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: maggief

Thanks Maggie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136027/posts

China reports images


492 posted on 03/22/2014 6:09:04 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/mid-air-scare-air-india-plane-in-near-miss-as-pak-atc-gives-incorrect-info/article1-1194203.aspx

Near miss for other. Thread


493 posted on 03/22/2014 7:03:40 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: F15Eagle
Did you watch Gen. McInerney on Hannity's Mar 21 show?
Gen. McInerney said he no longer believed that the Boeing 777 is in Pakistan, and that it has probably been moved to another location (I'm thinking Iran).
He also said we should be watching airports with runways 7,500 ft or longer and a large hanger.
He said that Boeing Corp. was in communication with the government agencies about the data they have and that he was NOT at liberty to discuss what they were communicating.

Sounds like they have pretty good leads on what happened to MH370 and where it's at.
494 posted on 03/22/2014 7:41:41 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Whenifhow

Gen. McInerney’s continued employment as a guest analyst is on the line. He had better be right.


495 posted on 03/22/2014 7:43:10 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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Media pictures and press releases from search here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3136027/posts?page=39#39


496 posted on 03/22/2014 8:30:24 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Yosemitest

I thought I saw it - just a clip on the ‘net.

I thought he was saying either/or. I did hear the mention of 7,500 feet.

If Pakistan did it, it’s a whole new level of escalation. As if the OBL thing wasn’t enough.


497 posted on 03/22/2014 8:47:37 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: hoosiermama
I'm a retired Air Traffic Controller with 26+ years military and 5 years FAA experience.
Here's another link to that transcript: It's important to NOTICE the note at the bottom of it. Now there's an "UNDERSTATEMENT" !
I can tell you from experience that the 'quote' TRANSCRIPT is not an actual transcript, with REAL Air Traffic Control PHRASEOLOGY.

But let's take a look at it anyway, with the understanding that all other verbiage to other aircraft the controller/controllers was working on the same frequency ~ has been removed.

Tower just told MH370 to "Hold Short of Runway 32 Right on Taxiway A-10".
Tower told MH370 "Runway 32 Right, Taxi into position and Hold"Tower has changed MH370 to Radar Approach Control Frequency. Radar Approach Control has changed MH370 to Air Route Traffic Control Center's frequency. Now right here is where some question this transmission.
They state "The message was not necessary, repeating the same information from six minutes earlier."
But from a controller's point of view, MH370 might NOT have heard the Air Route Traffic Control Center's 01:01:19 acknowledgement of his 01:01:14 transmission.

Another article states:
So I think it would be "grasping at straws" to try to make something of that transmission.

498 posted on 03/22/2014 9:08:42 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: danamco; LucyT
Thanks for posting. Explains precisely why Gen. McInerney has been out there with his information. .
499 posted on 03/22/2014 9:54:10 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: LucyT

Lucy, what happened to the old avatar?

Just kidding, but please add me to the threat matrix ping list.

Thanks.


500 posted on 03/22/2014 11:06:35 AM PDT by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation leads to lawlessness.)
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