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Putin Has Been Good For Russia
Intelligence Squared ^ | THURSDAY MAY 23 2013

Posted on 03/21/2014 6:43:40 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

There’s not a lot to like about Vladimir Putin: he’s autocratic, vain and runs a corrupt government. And he doesn’t give a fig for human rights. The repression in Chechnya, the jailing of the businessman Mikhail Khodorkovsky and the Pussy Riot protestors, the murders of journalist Anna Politkovskaya and of Alexander Litvinenko, the former spy – all this happened on Putin’s watch. Who would not be on the side of the 100,000 people who turned out on Moscow’s streets last winter to protest against Putin’s election to a third term as president and to demand fair elections and an honest government? Russia would be better off without Putin – who would argue otherwise?

As a matter of fact, millions would. Talk to many Russians and they’ll tell you that life under Putin is vastly better than under Boris Yeltsin. Yeltsin let a handful of oligarchs hoover up Russia’s wealth while ordinary Russians were reduced to selling their possessions on the street. Putin, by contrast, has quelled the economic mayhem – inflation is down, pensions have increased. Even more importantly he has restored Russia’s sense of self-worth – crushing the Chechen revolt, refusing to play along with the West over Syria

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TOPICS: Cuba; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: atheist; communism; crimea; enemyofeurope; enemyoftheus; imperialist; kgb; putinsbuttboys; russia; sovietunion; surrendermonkeys; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; waronterror; yuliatymoshenko
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1 posted on 03/21/2014 6:43:40 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

He might have been a KGB snake and now somewhat of a jinoist, but based on what he SAYS, in fact Putin is much less hostile to Christianity than our own President.


2 posted on 03/21/2014 6:48:50 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: MinorityRepublican

He has restored Russian strength, prestige, pride and wealth.

All of that without apology. Russians respect someone who is strong. By winning Crimea back for Mother Russia without firing a shot - Putin has already ensured his place in Russian history.


3 posted on 03/21/2014 6:49:24 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: gaijin

jingoist, not jinoist.


4 posted on 03/21/2014 6:49:32 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: MinorityRepublican

Putin been berry berry good for Russia.

5 posted on 03/21/2014 6:49:39 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: gaijin

As long as they are Russian Orthodox Christians.


6 posted on 03/21/2014 6:49:43 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MinorityRepublican

Putin is intelligent, vain, autocratic, and runs a corrupt government.

The Obamadork is stupid, vain, autocratic, and runs a corrupt government.

Guess which one will prevail.


7 posted on 03/21/2014 6:49:50 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: ClearCase_guy

Springtime for Putin and Russia
Russia is happy and (not) gay...


8 posted on 03/21/2014 6:50:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Why I get the feeling Producers should remake with Vlady as a star LOL!


9 posted on 03/21/2014 6:54:51 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: dfwgator

You got that right as long they are Orthdorox Christian works for me

I knew plenty of Orthorodx Chrisitan up in Alaska


10 posted on 03/21/2014 6:55:28 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: goldstategop
He has restored Russian strength, prestige, pride and wealth.

The Russian economy has been tanking for awhile now, even before the recent invasion from the Czar. There is also a huge amount of corruption in Russia. The Olympics, for example, cost more than all the other Olympic events combined since 1924, with much of that money actually being siphoned off by Putin's buddies. Russia is a gangster state, and, therefore, has a gangster economy.

All of that without apology. Russians respect someone who is strong.

Who would Putin apologize too? People he does not like he simply gets rid of, one way or the other, if not by sending them to insane asylums, then by beatings, and if not that, then by murder, which frequently happens.

y winning Crimea back for Mother Russia without firing a shot - Putin has already ensured his place in Russian history.

Oh man, just replace "Mother Russia" with "Germany the Fatherland," and Putin with "Hitler," and you would have a good case for why Germany was better off under the fellow.

11 posted on 03/21/2014 6:59:25 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

More than a few parallels between Putin and Teddy Roosevelt, particularly they way they cultivate their image for the home crowd.


12 posted on 03/21/2014 7:00:22 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

If he were good for Russia he would not have racked the constitution for more time in office. He is a pig at the trough and disgusting.

The great Russians of our time were Yeltsin and Solzhenitsyn.


13 posted on 03/21/2014 7:04:18 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Given Russian history, the Alexanders and Gorbachevs are the exception, not the rule.

Russia has always had autocrats and tyrants and even the few decent reformers did not really change how the masses were ruled.

The nobility, the Communists and the oligarchs today have always run the country. At each stage, the narod figured little in their plans.


14 posted on 03/21/2014 7:06:26 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Yeltsin was a drunkard who broke up the Soviet Union and bankrupted Russia. He is as much reviled as Gorbachev.

Solzhenitsyn was a Russian nationalist. Yhe Communists hated him but he approvingly quoted in today’s official Russia. It was no secret he despised the West almost as much as he hated the Soviet Union.


15 posted on 03/21/2014 7:10:02 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Your hero worship of a KGB blood thirsty monster is real sick.
You need to seek help.
This KGB monster would kill a western while ordering a cup of coffee that includes you useful idiot as the Soviets used to refer to fools like you during the cold war.


16 posted on 03/21/2014 7:10:08 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: goldstategop

Solzhenitsyn’s books are now required reading in Russian schools.


17 posted on 03/21/2014 7:11:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

That poster’s hero worship is sick.


18 posted on 03/21/2014 7:12:04 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: gaijin

Has Russia progressed economically since 1990? I don’t see it. Developed economies need private property protection and rule of law so that wealth can be earned and amassed by individuales with out fear of confiscation or theft.

Corruption, cronyism, and their official twin, communism all destroy thes private accumulations of wealth.

Also, education in rural Russia is awful. There is a reason their young proudly pine away for the good old days in the cccp. By now they should look at their Stalinist grandparents with the same pitty we have we look at our southern democrat grandparents.


19 posted on 03/21/2014 7:13:52 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: ncalburt

Where did I write I worshiped him? I wrote how Putin is regarded by Russians.

You may not like the observation but there is a good deal of truth to it.

And he is also - as if every one needed reminding, our implacable adversary.


20 posted on 03/21/2014 7:15:05 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

You are so arrogant and know so little. Solzhenitsyn loved the strengths of the West. That is why he made a point of visiting Senator Jesse Helms in person. Read his Harvard speech! Read Cancer Ward! To make a sweeping statement like Solzhenitsyn “dispised the West” is idiotic. He dispised the useful idiot version of the West.


21 posted on 03/21/2014 7:16:27 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: goldstategop

Who are you trying to kid here ?
You are a Wacko Putin groupie .
Your post nothing but nut job Putin propaganda.

Seek help.
Putin is a blood thirsty monster , fool.


22 posted on 03/21/2014 7:18:34 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Solzhenitsyn despised what he saw the West becoming, decadent.


23 posted on 03/21/2014 7:18:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MinorityRepublican

Putin defends Western Culture and Christianity:
video, 2 min 45 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSX2ALtIejw

EVERY time I listen to Hollywood and the Dems they’re saying Christians are Nazis, devils, sick & disgusting people.

And I hear the opposite from Putin.


24 posted on 03/21/2014 7:20:20 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: goldstategop

Gold state, I don’t know how old you are, but our memories our old nemesis differ greatly. I remember 100 divisions of combined arms aimed at the heart of Europe, and 13 warheads per mid sized city in the US. Russia is nothing close to the old cccp, and that is a good thing.

They are a paper tiger puffed up on artificially high oil prices. Had it not been for Obama/pelvis I and $10t in new debt binding our hands, this would be a joke.


25 posted on 03/21/2014 7:20:24 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Monterrosa-24

The consumer materialism, the lack of faith, the breakdown of traditional values - all those where things that turned Solzhenitsyn off about the West. He thought its freedom was a double-edged sword. Yes the West stood up against the Soviet Union but that didn’t mean a free Russia was going to copy the West. And it hasn’t.


26 posted on 03/21/2014 7:21:51 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Teddy wasn’t a victim in d deficient poser. He was a combat leader, hunter, ranch hand, and us president.


27 posted on 03/21/2014 7:24:17 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog

A typical Russian supermarket today.

A Soviet grocery store in 1986.

28 posted on 03/21/2014 7:24:59 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Dead Dog

In my youth, the USSR was on its deathbed with a succession of geriatric leaders. A younger Gorbachev could not stem its decline. And then it disappeared through a process that has no known historical precedent. Russia is a great power but is nowhere as powerful and feared as the Soviet Union was back in the day.


29 posted on 03/21/2014 7:26:02 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
and wealth


30 posted on 03/21/2014 7:28:31 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: goldstategop

Yes, he did say, “The West suffers from the spiritual impotence that comes from a life of ease”. And I agree with that with certain caveats.

Alabama professor Forrest McDonald said of the World War II veterans who had often grown up under tough conditions that they wanted to make sure their kids had it better than they had. So according to McDonald, “they proceeded to raise the worst generation of spoiled brats” known up to that time.


31 posted on 03/21/2014 7:29:53 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Life is easier and better today for Russians than it was in the Soviet time.

Free markets and consumer choice work. Central planning and induced scarcity doesn’t.

The Soviet Union is never coming back again.


32 posted on 03/21/2014 7:30:27 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Revolting cat!

Russia has billionaires and gazillionaires.

And it has a 13% flat tax. You don’t have income redistribution.


33 posted on 03/21/2014 7:32:11 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
You don’t have income redistribution.

True, I don't have income redistribution.

34 posted on 03/21/2014 7:33:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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35 posted on 03/21/2014 7:35:44 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: ncalburt; goldstategop
That poster’s hero worship is sick.

Yes, if not for being a long time poster, I would assume he was posting from the disinformation department of the Kremlin. He's been pimping Putin and selling absurd Russkie propaganda all over various threads for awhile now.

36 posted on 03/21/2014 7:39:27 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Dead Dog
(In Russia today there is cronyism, corruption, poor education in rural areas)

You know what? I think you make great points --I agree with you completely.

Anyone who says Russia is some paradise or not riven with corruption is fooling himself.

But if I'm hard on Putin's Russia, I should also take notice of the utterly foreign USA that I see emerging --scripted press conferences, rampant cronyism, SWAT tactics against Joe Six Pack, pandemic spying on utterly innocent people, and secretly widespread unemployment even as Wall Street hits unprecedented highs.

But those aren't the most glaring parts. There is more:

Our forefathers were unfeeling conquerors, America was founded on an inherently kleptocratic blueprint, we wish ill on the rest of the world, and Christianity is just intolerance of people not exactly like ourselves.

In view of such carefully-crafted, filthy self-hatred within our OWN GATES, how can I even take notice of Putin...?

When he speaks, I must advance the utterly bizarre claim that this KGB insect sounds more American THAN THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA.

37 posted on 03/21/2014 7:40:19 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin; All
And I hear the opposite from Putin.

Only if you're Russian Orthodox which, by the way, is run by a known snitch and KGB agent who was elected to the seat of Patriarch. (All of the candidates for the position of Patriarch were, in fact, traitors and KGB agents.) Baptist, Pentecostal, other churches, get bullied by government officials, have their churches vandalized, etc., until they are driven out. We've heard a little of this reported in Crimea with a Greek Catholic being kidnapped and then pinned with phony charges. (He owned body armor, which the Russkies claimed was illegal, even though there is no law against owning body armor.) Same tactic Putin uses against other organizations and individuals he does not like in Russia.

38 posted on 03/21/2014 7:45:16 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: gaijin

TKAE NOTICE OF PUTIN...please!
Putin is evil.
Even the citizens of Russia I know PERSONALLY HAVE no use for him!!!


39 posted on 03/21/2014 7:45:34 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: dfwgator
"...Solzhenitsyn despised what he saw as the West (becoming) decadent..." Yes, he had been through the wringer in such ways (the front in WWII, the Gulag, and critical hospital stays) that he had little patience for those flippant trendy types and "lazy journalists".  photo ASincampdudsafterrelease_zps0bdbe249.jpg
40 posted on 03/21/2014 7:50:08 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (a)
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To: gaijin

Our president is a product of the KGB, as is the Howard Zinn- esq version of American history you just quoted. American history, and Christianity are the opposite of what you perceive.


41 posted on 03/21/2014 7:50:15 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: MinorityRepublican

Russia’s economy is literally based off their energy, and a lot of that money is being siphoned off by Putin and the oligarchs, and not into the regular economy. Inflation is rising, and their economy is not. Their GDP over the past year is dropping, and is expected to get even worse by 2016 due to lower oil prices expected then, assuming these latest sanctions don’t make it suddenly worse. Also, our shale boom here in Texas and other parts of the United States are going to hurt them bad too, which is why I suspect a lot of the leftwing groups (I don’t believe that the Russians stopped infiltrating and controlling leftist groups just because the soviet system, at least its outward mechanations, collapsed) fight so hard against it. Once Russia loses its edge in natural gas and oil, they don’t have much to fall back on, hence their credit rating is on par with Brazil right now.


42 posted on 03/21/2014 7:50:52 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: gaijin

TAKE NOTICE OF PUTIN...please!
Putin is evil.
Even the citizens of Russia I know PERSONALLY HAVE no use for him!!!
There is NO TRUTH in him: JUST “TICKLES YOUR EARs”
BEWARE! He told the Ukraine’s he would hide behind
“women & children” last week. He has been sending military across the
border to do just that. with women interspersed.

Case in point, his military surrounded a school & kindergarten His military told the Ukraine Navy if they did NOT surrender they would enter with guns.

They have kidnapped Navy Officers beaten, electric
shock, & shot them in attempt to gain military secrets.

All the while, “KGB” Putin smiles on National TV.


43 posted on 03/21/2014 8:00:30 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: Dead Dog
American history, and Christianity are the opposite of what you perceive.

You might have misunderstood me --above I was simply citing an enemy narrative.

I'm a huge supporter of American Exceptionalism and the mercy inherent in Christianity.

44 posted on 03/21/2014 8:03:38 PM PDT by gaijin
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"...sending military across the border..." Yes, they come across first as provocateurs and agents and then in greater numbers to assemble as troops. At a certain point it seems they are everywhere.  photo they_live_1_zps39942cba.jpg
45 posted on 03/21/2014 8:09:23 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: gaijin

My bad, I was about to recommend Paul Johnson’s books.


46 posted on 03/21/2014 8:11:16 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: gaijin

“...citing an enemy narrative...:

I thought so but you could have used another transitional/explanatory phrase or two. I make the same mistakes when posting faster than I can type.


47 posted on 03/21/2014 8:12:28 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Monterrosa-24
you could have used another transitional/explanatory phrase or two

I agree. I looked again and it really looked like I believed that cr*ppola.

48 posted on 03/21/2014 8:16:18 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: MinorityRepublican
"_______'s autocratic, vain and runs a corrupt government."And that makes Putin different from whom?
49 posted on 03/21/2014 8:21:57 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine
"_______'s autocratic, vain and runs a corrupt government."

And that makes Putin different from whom?

I'm curious why you most such a rhetorical question.

Do you actually think that there are Freepers here who don't think that Obama is a tyrant?

So then what's you're point.

The subject on this thread is Putin and Russia.

50 posted on 03/21/2014 9:12:15 PM PDT by FreeReign
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