Skip to comments.Last Man Standing Rancher: armed feds are surrounding my farm
Posted on 04/08/2014 6:00:09 PM PDT by Nachum
A two-decades-old battle between a Nevada rancher and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has resulted in officials armed with machine guns surrounding the ranch and forcibly removing the owners cattle, according to the ranchers family.
Cliven Bundy, the last rancher in Clark County, Nev., has been fighting a one-man range war since 1993, when he decided to take a stand against the agency, refusing to pay fees for the right to graze on a ranch run by his family for centuries.
After years of court battles, the BLM secured a federal court order to have Bundys trespass cattle forcibly removed with heavy artillery, the family said.
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Mr. Bundy to the prosecutor:
“I’m not financially responsible for the governments inability to conduct a cost benefit analysis prior to initiating Nazi tactics on American citizens.”
Gee, wonder what was going on that year?
And now everyone knows why the STATE National Guard has been usurped by the feds. The governor is “powerless”.
What did Bush know and when?
The rancher is not all that smart. He watched as over 50 other farmers left, for various reasons. Yet he chose to stop paying his fees because of some ancestral nonsense. He should have kept paying the fees, and sued in parallel to get any land ownership dispute settled. Moreover, these guys typically pay a miniscule amount to graze livestock on federal land. I do not have much sympathy here. I also think we do not have all the facts.
I know a guy who had armed, SWAT-type IRS and FBI agents raid his home and family early in the morning over a tax dispute. Lest you think he was operating a Fortune 500 company - his business was a modest 20-table restaurant.
Yes but not all have the same problem. This is the guy who was on Fox and the John Stossel show 3 days ago.
Wayne Hage Jr. inherited his ranch from his father. Very similar set of circumstances.
'Fox News Reporting Enemies Of The State'
The New World Order impacts on our State soverignty
and the United States Fed recognizes no borders, nor State soverignty
just ... "sustainability ".
He refused to pay for his grazing on public lands. Why should I feel sorry for him?
I expect that drones will be deployed in the area of operation.
You do realize those states were created out of federal land, granted to the US after the war with Mexico?
Repeal the 17th. It was the beginning of the end of State sovereignty.
Jeff, you have any intell on this?
Limiting 1st Amendment rights... denying a rancher his rights that have lasted since before the BLM was created. If you don’t see the writing on the wall here, then shut up and kiss the country “good bye”. No amount of voting or litigation in court rooms can fix this country anymore. It’s way past that point.
Went back and reread the article, while biased it does point out a few interesting points. The family had been leasing from the BLM long before he ever stopped his lease payments. Hard to prove you own the land when you have over 50 years of lease payments proving you don’t. While I think shutting it down for grazing over a tortoise is a pretty weak excuse it is what it is. When you crawl in bed with the Fed’s your gonna get screwed. The fact that he stopped his payments 5 years before they shut it down doesn’t help his argument.
We have a rather large ranch for this area and lease out about 80% of it to cattle operation. We control the lease amount and how many head are run per section, a violation of either of those or a non lease payment gets you shut down immediately. He would have been in violation of our rules and he and his cattle would have been removed.
Environmentalists are praising the governments forceful actions, which are being taken to protect the desert tortoise. Were heartened and thankful that the agencies are finally living up to their stewardship duty, said Rob Mrowka, a Nevada-based senior scientist with the Center for Biological Diversity. The Gold Butte area has been officially designated as critical habitat for threatened tortoisesmeaning the area is essential to their long-term survival as a species. [Cliven] Bundy has long falsely believed that Gold Butte is his ranch, added Terri Robertson, president of Friends of Sloan Canyon. The BLM designated 186,909 acres of the Gold Butte off-limits for the critical desert tortoise population in 1998. Bundy had already lost his grazing permit five years earlier for refusing to pay fees for the land, which his family has ranched since the 1870s. The federal grazing fee is $1.35 per Animal Unit Month, or the amount of forage needed per animal, each month. Bundy said he owes roughly $300,000 in back fees, while the BLM asserts he owes over $1 million. The BLM defended the removal because Bundy did not voluntarily give up his cattle.
YOUr miniscule amount is up to a million dollars accd.to the link.
Apparently the Democrats learned nothing from Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Sure they did. They learned they can get away with it...
Armed Conflict BUMP
Isn’t seizing cattle another name for rustling?
And isn’t cattle rustling an offense punishable by death?
Bundy is the modern-day equivalent of the cattle barons who gave the old west the Lincoln County War, the Pleasant Valley War, the Mason County War and the Johnson County Range War.
He wants to graze his cattle on somebody else's land.
The land belonged to the State of Nevada before the Bundy family began to graze their cattle there. Bundy admits that the Bundy family does not own the land. The Bundy family grazed its cattle on the land for free when that was the law, then grazed them while paying a grazing fee when that became the law. When the last grazing agreement expired, Bundy refused to sign a new agreement because he didn't like the terms or the increased grazing fee.
It's no different that if he were grazing his cattle on somebody else's private land.
His family never gained title by prescription or adverse possession. Under common law, adverse possession must be 'hostile,' meaning without permission of the lawful owner. The Bundy family's possession has never been hostile.
Under Nevada law, to gain ownership by adverse possession, a party must gain title under 'color of title,' such as a false deed. The Bundy family has none. Under Nevada law, a person cannot claim adverse possession unless all federal, state, and local taxes on the land have been paid since the time adverse possession began. The Bundys have not been paying taxes on the land since the late 19th century.
Bundy is a thief, trying to steal possession of someone else's land without consent or compensation. He's no different that the cattlemen in the Robert Duvall movie, Open Range.
This isn’t about land. It’s about water.
He ignored the last court order giving him a date to remove his cattle or face having them declared trespassing cattle subject to removal by the BLM.
Too bad the ranchers did not form their own defensive militia when this crap started. A couple of fed raiding parties taken out from ambush would have been a good start.
When 0 was elected, OfA actually used the words Organizing for Amerika.
You can’t find that anymore.
The Chinese want it, I bet.
‘Obama for America’ to morph into ‘Organizing for Action’
(one year ago)
Just like communism claiming the turtles vote communist and environment.
This operation is going to kill for sure the specie.
This is such arrogance.
And to see the media parading enviros praising and siding eith government every time there is such an issue is laughable.
The media is stupid and evil.
This rancher was the best stewardt we had, but corrupt idiotcrats in DC want is land, Zimbabwe Mugabe style.
Water rights, agenda 21. Someone is stealing his piece of the industry and chain of supply.
America used to fight monopolies...
What they really mean is America for Obama.
In the Soviet Union the corrupt government destroyed good stewardts and the environment. This is a repeat.
Red tape to push people to bankrupcy or delinquency... they do that with the mortgage crisis and many other things,
This is the start of a storm... of an inflationary storm by red tape and despair for more taxes in a sea of corruption and waste.
So be it.
oh, the Chinese government is a known “run on the banks” terror land. It is infecting america and the IRS.
This is a Chinese tactic, but we are not building an obsolete dam, we are “saving a turtle”.... from tragedy to a farce.
The overspending and IRS taxing is going to inherently cause a bank draft and run. Nothing will be left without good stewartds like this rancher but despair and idiot thugs.
We are heading for a disaster.
Did they do this all over a freaking turtle???
They used it for grazing cattle as open range, then paid grazing fees to use it when that became the law.
I never said anything about the BLM deeming the land closed for grazing to everybody. I said Bundy refused to renew his agreement and courts first ordered Bundy to remove his cattle nearly twenty years ago. That is true.
The fact that the BLM will not allow grazing on this range by anybody supports my statement that the Bundy family does not own this land. If 'anybody' could otherwise graze on this range by agreement with the BLM if not for the desert tortoise, it means that Bundy did not own the land.
As for water rights, can a party own water rights in a piece of property he or she doesn't own without a conveyance of those rights? How did Bundy obtain water rights in the BLM property? Water rights law is complex, especially in the the west, and I don't claim to know much about it. I've skimmed Nevada statutes on water rights but haven't looked at any case law.
Bundy has NOT paid grazing fees to Clark County. That's a lie made up by Bundy supporters, similar to the lie that this land is 'his' ranch.
From Breitbart and multiple other sources:
The protracted conflict began in 1993, five years before the land was ruled to be off limits for grazing, when Cliven refused to pay grazing fees to the BLM. We [the public] own this land, he said, not the feds. Bundy says he is willing to pay grazing fees to Clark County but not to the BLM."
I've yet to find a single source saying that Bundy has paid his grazing fees.
A court ordered Bundy off this land before the land was ruled to be off limits for grazing.
I guess im a bit naive but why does the federel govt. own cattle grazing land and then claim that endangered turtles are more imortant to the economy than cattle raised for food?
Cliven Bundy refused to renew his agreement to graze cattle on the federal land twenty years ago. He quit paying the grazing fees that his family had been paying.
He did so five years before the land was closed to all grazing because of the endangered species, and was first ordered by a federal court to remove his cattle from this land approximately three years before the endangered species-based closure.
As Ann Barnhardt says:
[T]his is NOT a good battle to pick. The guy in question has been grazing his cattle at essentially zero feed cost for upwards of twenty years (well, THAT makes the cattle business easier, doesnt it!) because he stopped paying the BLM any lease charges. Again, we can debate all manner of things including the ridiculous rules about closing land to grazing in order to protect lizards or prairie chickens or whatever the fake endangered species du jour is, and certainly we can debate the existence of the BLM itself, but there is no free lunch; everyone else pays to graze.
all that is understood. But, you are in essence making my point! Why the hell do the feds own so much of state land? What the hell is going on? I agree the guy should have either bought the property or paid up but you have to admit its weird that the feds own so much of state land that could be much better used by private entreprenuers,IMHO?
I think the one thing we can all agree on here is:
“Why isn’t this a dispute between the State of Utah and the Rancher? Instead of being a dispute between the federal government and a private individual....”
The rancher in the article is NOT the one I was referring to.
Watch "Enemies of the State" on Youtube for the Fox News special on Wayne Hage, Catherine Englebrecht, an oil producer, and Gibson. Very well done, makes you grit your teeth and say "Hell yeah, bring it on."
He leases (or used to) large portions of his ranch from the Federal government. This is nt uncommon in the west where the Federal government “owns” anywhere from 60-80% of the land in these intermountain western states.
I understand that his family has been using the land, probably before the Federal government got involved. but for years he & his family paid the Federal leases. Then he stopped.
He is going to have a tough time of it. Since his family and he paid those leases, they established the relationship...and did so for many years. Now he wants to not pay the leases any more (and in fact stopped paying some time ago I believe) and does not want to have that land administered by the Feds.
It is an understandable position...but since they paid the lease for so many years, he established he relationship with the Feds. And, since the Federal government “owns” the land (whether they should do so or not is a different discussion) and since he paid them to lease it...he is going to be hard pressed not to abide their rules for the lease.
Anyhow, that it as I understand it.
Thanks. I do not need this event to yell “BRING it ON!” :-)
Then keep up with the payments. That’s all he needed to do. Clearly it was one hell of deal for many years prior to this. I certainly am not advocate for the government, but I also know that if there is no oversight of such leases, “people will be people” and will destroy the land, tortoise or not. We see this time and time again, where people eff things up if given the opportunity. Government is a prime example!! Public lands, federal lands, whatever. Given the chance, dam people ruin things.
He did pay grazing fees to Clark County not the BLM. The BLM has refused them because they have closed the area to grazing for the turtle.No, that's not the timeline.
Why the hell do the feds own so much of state land? What the hell is going on?That goes back to the treaty we made with Mexico in 1848. The huge percentage of land in Nevada that's owned by the Feds is pretty much land that not even the state of Nevada wants. It's all marginal, mostly uninhabitable. It's only good for mining, foresting, or grazing leases.
Oh yeah commerce clause whatever. Wrong is still wrong. Here is the means of production of major industries in the western states, claimed by the federal government and enforced through the barrel of a gun. What was that called again?
The BLM Gestapo has to be tried and convicted and shipped to a newly built prison in the Northeastern corner of Alaska, along with Obama, Holder, Reid and the whole damn gang. Relieve Biden of his duties, but don’t imprison him. There has to be allowances for the mentally handicapped...