Collins manages to insult, offend Utahns with comments on Bundy roundup

Las Vegas Review Journal ^ | April 10, 2014 | BEN BOTKIN

[9YearLurker]

Please forgive my ignorance on this, but if the deal for grazing on public lands is to pay a fee for it and you don’t pay that fee for 20 years, isn’t reasonable that the government might remove your cattle from that land?

[M Kehoe]

Did Tom Collins vote for 0bama?

5.56mm

[Psalm 144]

Looks like a dissipated drunk.

[Psalm 144]

The history of Ruby Ridge, the history of Waco, Elian Gonzales, and if they asked their daddies, they might get a “the history of soldiers explaining why they burned those bodies in the ovens in Nazi Germany”.....

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A domestic analog to the Nuremburg Trials should be the stuff of their nightmares. They can’t see far enough down the road.

[Psalm 144]

They’ve overstepped, overthugged, and they are in the wrong.
What’s right is that they should leave. But they won’t.
They can’t be seen as backing down anywhere or any time.

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A rock and a hard place. They can’t go forward either.

They have brought things to the brink no matter what they do now.

[Sopater]

Please forgive my ignorance on this, but if the deal for grazing on public lands is to pay a fee for it and you don’t pay that fee for 20 years, isn’t reasonable that the government might remove your cattle from that land?

There's an interesting back-story to this, though. The Bundy family has been grazing their cattle in that land since the late 1800's. One day, the BLM decides that in order to protect some desert tortoise, they have to take that land and charge a fee to let cattle graze it. The "law" may be on the side of the BLM, but that doesn't make it "right".

[9YearLurker]

But should certain families have special claim to free use of massive amounts of federal lands just because their forebears had a special privilege?

And yeah, I think the EPA goes too far in protecting some obscure something or other, but I don’t really see how I support a family and some friends fighting back against that at gunpoint.

I may still be missing part of the story, but from what I understand I don’t really see their case in bringing it to this point.

[Sopater]

But should certain families have special claim to free use of massive amounts of federal lands just because their forebears had a special privilege?

I would ask, "should the Federal Gov't have massive amounts of federal land?", I think not.

[9YearLurker]

That’s an entirely different question.

[Sopater]

That’s an entirely different question.

Yes, it is... it's the right question.

[9YearLurker]

It’s a larger question, but not, IMO, the key one in this particular circumstance right now.

[Sopater]

That’s an entirely different question.

That's something I really don't understand. Why is it that when you point out that the government is overstepping their constitutional bounds by infringing on a citizen's rights, one of the first things someone is bound to say is "why should they not have to live by the same rules as every body else?"

It's the RULE that is WRONG.

[9YearLurker]

So do you think we all should just give ourselves squatters rights to whatever chunk of federal land we’d like—I’d rather fancy the Lincoln Memorial—and call in a ‘militia’ to defend our claim?

Or, did this family inherit some sort of greater right than you or I have?

[Fledermaus]

FU Collings you pig. Rot in hell with your entire family.

[NorthMountain]

Tom Collins is a bit fruity for my tastes ...

[Sopater]

It’s a larger question, but not, IMO, the key one in this particular circumstance right now.

So your question is should certain families have special claim to free use of massive amounts of federal lands just because their forebears had a special privilege?

It's a ridiculous question. How do you answer a question that basically asks "should certain people be exempt from obeying an UNJUST law just because..."

[Sopater]

...did this family inherit some sort of greater right than you or I have?

No, the same rights as you and I have.

[9YearLurker]

So you are okay with my taking the Lincoln Memorial!

Are ya gonna come back me up on it?

Will the feds be wrong in using force to kick us out?

[Sopater]

So you are okay with my taking the Lincoln Memorial!

He's not "taking" the land, he's grazing cattle on it, along with many other ranchers who won't be bothered if they do as they're told by those who illegitimately took control of it.

[truth_seeker]

“So do you think we all should just give ourselves squatters rights to whatever chunk of federal land we’d like—I’d rather fancy the Lincoln Memorial—and call in a ‘militia’ to defend our claim?”

My town has 10 miles of clean, flat sandy beach on the Pacific Ocean.

I’d just like about an acre or two, and the rest of you can argue over when you get to use yours, for how much in fees, etc.

But I want mine, because I’ve been here since 1968. Oh. My grandfather was a cowboy (true), beachboy (not true), so laws, regulations, fees don’t apply to me.