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White House Wants to Lift Ban on Interstate Tolls
New York Times ^ | 4/29/14 | Ron Nixon

Posted on 04/29/2014 6:24:18 PM PDT by Nachum

Washington - Drivers on the nation’s Interstates could soon be paying more to travel. A transportation proposal sent to Congress by the Obama administration on Tuesday would remove a prohibition on tolls for existing Interstate highways, clearing the way for states to raise revenue on roads that drivers currently use at no cost. Congress banned tolls on Interstates in 1956 when it created the national highway system under President Dwight D. Eisenhower. The administration said lifting the toll ban would help address a shortfall in funding to pay for highway repairs. The tolls, along with other changes, could provide an

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To: PeaceBeWithYou

they’ll be in for a double taxation fight.”

And that fight will be launched by whom? Not anyone in Congress that I know of.


51 posted on 04/29/2014 7:20:44 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

In a town near me they approved $2 million from transportation funds to tear down a concrete wall they never should have built in a county park. Fortunately the outrage was loud enough they decided to look for the money elsewhere.

In another example was when Carl Levin was trying to get millions in transportation money to save Tiger stadium in Detroit. His justification for seeking transportation money? He wanted a bus stop built in.


52 posted on 04/29/2014 7:23:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Nachum

So, what are those things I pay in Ohio and Indiana on I-80?


53 posted on 04/29/2014 7:24:42 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Nachum

We are paying Federal tax on gasoline to maintain them; they are not “free.”


54 posted on 04/29/2014 7:25:40 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Nachum

So where are the toll booths to be located, at the state borders? Make us like old Europe or like the eastern block?
“your papers please”.

guess this is more of baraq’s flexibility at work.


55 posted on 04/29/2014 7:27:36 PM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is now the CPUSA)
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To: Dr. Sivana
So, what are those things I pay in Ohio and Indiana on I-80?

Those things are called your problem. LOL
56 posted on 04/29/2014 7:28:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rottndog

We also breathe for free, according to their logic.


57 posted on 04/29/2014 7:30:03 PM PDT by Williams
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To: cripplecreek

Gad that fella is annoying! Kill him already.


58 posted on 04/29/2014 7:33:42 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Nachum

Then the whole country can be just like the People’s Republic of Maryland. I’ve lived here for four years. In that time, Bridge and tunnel tolls have doubled and the maggots in the General Asylum instituted a sales tax on gas. When fully implemented, it will be 6%. Yeeehaaa


59 posted on 04/29/2014 7:33:58 PM PDT by cyclotic (America's premier outdoor adventure association for boys-traillifeusa.com)
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To: Nachum

he needs to get his fingers out of every dadgum pie.


60 posted on 04/29/2014 7:36:24 PM PDT by cyn
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To: Irenic

He thanked me on twitter for saying he did a good enough job in that role that I want to gut him myself. (Samuel Roukin)


61 posted on 04/29/2014 7:36:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s news to me.

I-90 in MA-——tolls since it’s inception in the 50s.

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62 posted on 04/29/2014 7:39:01 PM PDT by Mears
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To: sauropod

The Illinois and Indiana tollways are interstates too.


63 posted on 04/29/2014 7:47:54 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: Nachum

This is a rhetorical question.

If Congress can borrow or print money on the full faith and credit of the USA, what in the wild,wild world of sports is the point of taxes?


64 posted on 04/29/2014 7:57:08 PM PDT by logitech (It is time.)
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To: rottndog

We also breathe for free, according to their logic.


65 posted on 04/29/2014 7:57:59 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Nachum

Would that make those collecting the fees Interstate trolls?


66 posted on 04/29/2014 8:04:24 PM PDT by G Larry (In the beginning there was "Right" and "Wrong" and we've been compromising in the "Wrong" direction)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s funny. He was good and I’m still mad at him. hahaha


67 posted on 04/29/2014 8:13:10 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Nachum

Has the Won considered that interstate tolls may reduce the number of voters who might be inclined to vote in more than one state?


68 posted on 04/29/2014 8:17:54 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: Nachum

Nah. The tolls won’t fix potholes, they will just go to fill deep pockets. /s


69 posted on 04/29/2014 8:26:25 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Kansas has a ‘turnpike’ too. Those state roads predated the interstate system, but were later incorporated.


70 posted on 04/29/2014 8:27:28 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Mears

Mass pike pre-dates the interstates. The same roadway may have multiple route designations.


71 posted on 04/29/2014 8:39:07 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: Nachum

No one should be denied access to health care! Health care should be free for all!

Wait. Were we talking about health care or roads?

Sorry.

No one should be denied access to paved roads! Paved roads should be free for all!

Is that better?


72 posted on 04/29/2014 8:39:29 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: Alberta's Child

There is a pilot programs where three states can apply for tolling a stretch of interstate highway to repair and improve it. So far, none of the three states that have received approval have done anything.


73 posted on 04/29/2014 9:06:15 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Nachum

Aren’t the gas and diesel fuel taxes supposed to provide the funding for maintaining the highways?

Have the Feds spent those funds elsewhere, instead, such as paying the Obamacare “navigators” to scam people into signing up for a failed program?

I hope BOTH houses of Congress treat this proposal just like they have every one of Obama’s budget proposals; thumbs down!


74 posted on 04/29/2014 9:07:55 PM PDT by octex
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To: Fiji Hill

Part of I-87 and I-90 are tolled because they are on the New York Thruway. Various toll roads were grandfathered into the interstate system. Thus, you have tolls on I-90 in Massachusetts (MassTurnpike), parts of I-70 and I-76 in Pennsylvania (PATurnpike) and part of I-80 in Ohio (Ohio Turnpike).


75 posted on 04/29/2014 9:12:19 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Nachum

No different than what Governor Perry wanted to do to Texas.
...and people got mad at me because I opposed him.


76 posted on 04/29/2014 9:20:24 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Fiji Hill

“A ban on tolls on the Interstate? Isn’t I-87 through New York a toll road?”

Only part of it - the part not built by the feds.


77 posted on 04/29/2014 9:22:09 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Nachum

One other comments. If you’re waiting for the gas tax to go away, you might get that. You’ll trade a 20 cent per gallon gas tax for a 20 cent PER MILE road charge. So don’t wish too hard for that.


78 posted on 04/29/2014 9:30:23 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

No different than what Governor Perry wanted to do to Texas.
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The TTC (Trans-Texas Corridor) that was proposed was not and Interstate highway. It would have been INTRAstate.

So... No, Perry did not propose tolls on Interstates in Texas, AFAIK.


79 posted on 04/29/2014 9:35:35 PM PDT by octex
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To: Nachum
...clearing the way for states to raise revenue on roads that drivers currently use at no cost...

Bull! Where's all that tax money we pay that is supposed to go to roadway development and maintenance! No cost my lily white backside!

80 posted on 04/29/2014 9:58:44 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: octex
Aren’t the gas and diesel fuel taxes supposed to provide the funding for maintaining the highways?

Have the Feds spent those funds elsewhere, instead, such as paying the Obamacare “navigators” to scam people into signing up or a failed program?

You have it backwards.

Fuel taxes don't provide enough money for funding and maintaining highways. Federal and state income taxes help make up part of the difference.

81 posted on 04/29/2014 10:15:36 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: Nachum

Cuz let’s face it - there just aren’t enough taxes!


82 posted on 04/29/2014 10:35:01 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Nachum

Shovel ready? I guess a trillion a year for the recovery act wasn’t enough. Gotta squueze a little more cash out of everyone.

By the way...While driving throug Honolulu todya (I avoid Honolulu likenthe plague) the federal courthouse STILL has a giant sign declaring this stimulus project is thanks to Obama. Only been painting it non stop for the past 5 years. But the sign is up proudly making sure everyone knows this was a recovery act project signed by Obama. There are so many scams on the island and this buikding rates among the highest.


83 posted on 04/30/2014 12:08:32 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: JSDude1
Where in the H*ll has all our money gone that was taken by the “federal Gas Tax”?

Well, it sure as heck hasn't gone for road repairs. And they expect us to believe that the toll money won't go down the same democRathole that the gas tax money has disappeared into?

84 posted on 04/30/2014 12:19:50 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Fresh Wind

The idiots are building bike paths everywhere...and funding moronic urban mass transit.


85 posted on 04/30/2014 1:04:17 AM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: ogen hal

In my rural county there is a bike path on a road going literally nowhere to nowhere. The bike path starts well outside of town (dangerous to get to it). The bike ends abruptly as the road turns into a narrow two lane country road with speed limit 45 (most go 50+). The only reason for such stupidity is federal money with strings attached. You can thank our RINO congressman who always brags about the pork he pulls in and the stupid voters who fall for it.


86 posted on 04/30/2014 2:32:43 AM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: Nachum

if you walk too much they’ll tax your feet.
This obammy gub mint sucks.


87 posted on 04/30/2014 3:06:02 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: BobL

I agree, he’s an arrogant ass.


88 posted on 04/30/2014 3:15:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Nachum

One can almost see it now. There will be sparsely traveled Blue highways with high tolls through states controlled by liberals with few accommodations and no places to stop. There will be heavily traveled highways with no tolls in states controlled by conservatives. They will be lined with accommodations, attractions, dining, etc. The nighttime satellite image of CONUS will look like a checkerboard of light and dark.


89 posted on 04/30/2014 3:23:33 AM PDT by IamConservative
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To: freerepublicchat
You're right about that.

Something else to keep in mind is that fuel tax revenues are falling over time -- due to the effective decline associated with inflation and the actual decline brought about by improvements in fuel efficiency. We buy less fuel for every mile we travel today than we did ten years ago.

90 posted on 04/30/2014 3:29:06 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: ansel12

Backdoor way of nudging into UN Agenda 21.

Make it too expensive to travel. This would hurt all types of business that depend on travelers to stay in business.


91 posted on 04/30/2014 3:30:25 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
That's exactly right. The interstate highways you see today with tolls on them existed as state roads prior to the establishment of the Interstate Highway System.

As a point of interest, I believe the Pennsylvania Turnpike -- which was built before World War II -- was the first major limited-access road in the U.S.

92 posted on 04/30/2014 3:53:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: octex

“So... No, Perry did not propose tolls on Interstates in Texas, AFAIK.”

Actually, that was part of it. Specifically the TTC plan had the state request permission from the feds for “tolling on sections of Interstate Highways”. It wasn’t anymore specific than that. But it made sense - there was no any private trucker would pay close to $1.00 per mile to go on those private roads, unless he was “encouraged” to do so. Unfortunately, the last time I looked, the official TTC plan had been sanitized from the web.

Perry also tried that stunt on a several state freeways (i.e., converting them to toll roads), but thankfully got an earful. The one case where his people were lucky to make it back to Austin alive was Highway 249 in Northwest Houston. It is/was a freeway, and they wanted to extend it north. So they wanted to toll the existing freeway first to pay for the extension. In the end, they got the message, and only tolled the extension.


93 posted on 04/30/2014 5:12:49 AM PDT by BobL
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To: ogen hal
The idiots are building bike paths everywhere...

In my area, they just spent $200 million on an 8 mile stretch of road which bypasses a very congested section. It's a great improvement, but not only did they include bike lanes on the shoulders of the road itself, but they threw in a separate 14 foot wide road (a "shared use path") in parallel with the main road for pedestrians and slower cyclists. Needless to say, the main road sees plenty of traffic, but you rarely see anyone on the bike lanes or the separate road.

94 posted on 04/30/2014 6:29:31 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: ansel12

True, Obama and the libertarians seem in agreement on this.


Ah, the liberty-hating troll speaks out on behalf of libertarians again.

If you’re going to claim to convey your adversary’s position, at least find a link and a quote.


95 posted on 04/30/2014 8:20:36 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Lose to Cruz - 2016!)
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To: Atlas Sneezed

So a troll gets on a conservative site, to call conservatives trolls, when they disagree with the oh so leftwing, libertarianism.

Obama has displayed the weak, passive, foreign policy of the libertarians, that will hurt Paul now that people see the effect.

3.3 International Affairs
American foreign policy should seek an America at peace with the world. Our foreign policy should emphasize defense against attack from abroad and enhance the likelihood of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements. We would end the current U.S. government policy of foreign intervention, including military and economic aid.


96 posted on 04/30/2014 9:13:24 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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