BOO! BOO!
Posted on 04/30/2014 10:01:39 AM PDT by Impala64ssa
A Montana couple frustrated by recent thefts allegedly set a trap for potential burglars—and upon hearing a would-be intruder after midnight on Sunday, the husband fired four shots into the darkness, he says. Now, Markus Kaarma of Missoula has been charged in the death of German exchange student Diren Dede, 17, who was hit by bullets in the head and arm, the AP reports. The couple had set up sensors and cameras around their garage, whose door they left open; Kaarma's wife, Janelle Pflager, left her purse there "so they would take it," she said, per court documents. She reportedly told police the couple had been robbed twice in three weeks.
Documents say Kaarma, 29, told a hairstylist last Wednesday that he'd been waiting three days for another burglary, shotgun at the ready, the Washington Post reports. "I’m just waiting to shoot some [obscenity] kid," he allegedly told the stylist at Great Clips, which ended up calling police over his profane language and unruly behavior, Raw Story reports. Kaarma was yesterday charged with one count of felony deliberate homicide; it's unclear why Diren was in the garage. Billings, Mont., saw a similar shooting hours before Missoula's: A homeowner shot a seminary student described as a "house guest" who was making a call in the garage. The student is expected to survive.
Yes, but they don’t legally set traps to KILL PEOPLE.
That is the big difference here. If you are going to do a citizens arrest, I don’t think there is as much of a problem. Maybe no problem at all, actually.
One has to realize Missoula Montana is nowadays rather like Austin Texas, a bastion of liberal “values” flowing from the U of M. The U of M seems to recruit students from the Middle East, usually Saudi Arabia, probably to subsidize programs and salaries. That brings Muslims values along with it. The problems arise when Muslim students deal with the local “Dhimmi” namely its not acceptable to collect jizya on your own or rape Dhimmi women at will.
Read the comments especially those by JSRMinMissoula. He chronicles the problems better than what the local rag does. The apologists for errant Muslim behavior are all over him “Don't stereotype, its just a few” etc.
A good kid. Just turning his life around. An aspiring...uh...soccer player...
If he camouflaged himself, does that make him a Kaarma chameleon?
Thin ice. So you are saying I cannot leave my garage door open and leave things lying around on my property?
A small correction. The shootee Diren Dede was a high school exchange student not a university student. The rest of the post stands.
Liberals will always side with the evil over the righteous, the criminal over the victim.
IMO, it’s the POLICE that should have been setting an arrest trap after 3 burglaries.
I don’t blame the victim of the burglaries for finally wanting something done about it and taking it into his own hands. Perhaps he should have handled it differently, but when the authorities show no interest in protecting life and property, you have no choice but to act on your own.
BOO! BOO!
Agreed, brother.
I wonder what effort the cops put in to catching the burglar that hit this guy’s house previously? None? Some? Took a report? Said, “Not much we can do”? “Give us a call if it happens again”?
What this guy did and what the guy in MN did is the kind of stuff you DON’T do if you want to come off with a clean self-defense shoot.
What self-defense laws try to distinguish is people trying to truly protect themselves from crime, from the half-crazy, hot-headed punka** with a chip who’s gonna get someone dead.
So moral of the story is: do things that make you the former and not latter before the eyes of the law and jury.
That means, don’t lay traps, don’t tell people you are laying traps to kill someone, don’t obviously wait around to ambush them, or say you are.
Don’t, particularly when using video for surveillance and knowing the perp is unarmed either:
1) go out to meet them and randomly rip off shots in the dark spraying the perimeter and not knowing where the perp is and if you are even hitting him or something else,
2) wait in ambush, take them out, then go get your pistol after they are down and near dead, and fill them full of more holes plus a finishing shot.
Finally, do anything to avoid looking like it’s premeditated. The key is to make sure it’s reactionary and your actions reflect fear for your life. If not, you take your fate into your own hands.
True.
But not what I was talking about. Setting a trap by itself does not “make you guilty”. Sometimes it’s a good idea to read the comment the post references.
I see nothing in this story that offends me.
Rule 1: Don’t be someplace you shouldn’t be, especially if it’s someone’s home.
Rule 2: Don’t be there at night.
Or the trailer park resident who claimed he should have known the hooker was a cop because “she had all her teeth”. It’s a fine line to make the bait enticing enough but not so irresistible to make it blatant entrapment.
Bait cars are often left unlocked, keys in the ignition. Sometimes left double parked running.
But if my car is stolen from my locked garage, I have to prove I didn’t authorize it’s theft.
Those are the words that will put this guy in prison. The resident was not in danger, nor was he in fear for his life. He planned to kill someone.
Last time I checked, that was a crime. Firing blindly into a room without even giving him a chance seals the deal.
Soooooo, bottom line up front — Diren Dede isn’t breaking into anymore homes - period. Are we suppose to weep for the thief?
Concur: Exodus 22:2 “If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed”
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