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NJ man shoots 11-year-old nephew dead while demonstrating laser sight on his forehead
The Pocono Record ^ | 05-04-2014 | Beth Brelje

Posted on 05/05/2014 11:32:22 AM PDT by PaulCruz2016

An 11-year-old New Jersey boy was shot dead over the weekend when his uncle was showing off a number of guns that he thought were unloaded, and pointed one with a laser sight at the child’s forehead.

The Pocono Record reported that State Police responded to reports of shots fired in a gated community in Delaware Township at around 5:35 p.m. on Saturday.

According to a police report, the 11-year-old child was visiting the home of his grandfather. The boy allegedly asked his uncle, 34-year-old Chad Olm, who lives in the basement, to see his gun collection.

Olm told police that he opened his security safe and began showing his weapons to the nephew, and his son, who was also present. He insisted that he did not keep the guns loaded.

After letting the boys handle three handguns — a .357 Magnum revolver, a .22 revolver and a 9 mm — he then pulled out a Glock 27 .40-caliber handgun that was equipped with a laser sight.

Olm stated that he did not check to see if there was a round in the chamber, but said that the handgun did not have a magazine in it. Olm said that he pointed the laser at the walls and ceiling. And then he pointed it at his nephew.

“Look, you have a red dot on your forehead,” Olm recalled one of the boys saying.

Olm said that when the nephew reached out for the gun, he pulled the trigger. A single bullet struck the child above the eye, causing him to start bleeding and fall over.

(Excerpt) Read more at poconorecord.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; laser; nephew; newjersey
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To: PaulCruz2016

49... Living in basement.. Got it.


51 posted on 05/05/2014 2:06:13 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: Mathews

He’s not racked with guilt. Look at the photo below.


52 posted on 05/05/2014 2:11:03 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: DoughtyOne

That was my thought too, it bears repeating.

“The damage that could be caused by not adhering to these policies would be more than I could bear.”

I’m in that boat, I could’t begin to imagine being this guy.

There’s a reason we’re all told to treat all guns as loaded.


53 posted on 05/05/2014 2:21:04 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Deo volente

That’s not a common mistake, that’s called mental retardation and that person shouldn’t be around firearms.

Most firearms are extremely basic in their operation. You don’t need a college degree or anything.


54 posted on 05/05/2014 2:22:35 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Oliviaforever

no they’re not, it’s a senseless tragedy, but this is not murder.


55 posted on 05/05/2014 2:25:25 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: DoughtyOne

You must have a military background like me?

It’s drilled into you to keep that barrel pointed in a safe direction at all times.


56 posted on 05/05/2014 2:28:10 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

Thanks for reinforcing it again. Some people obviously don’t get the message first time around, perhaps not the 30th time either.


57 posted on 05/05/2014 2:28:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: 21twelve

“A friend of a friend was showing off his fancy H&K bullpup years ago. I asked him to show me that it was unloaded. He argued that it WAS unloaded. I left - the guy had more money than brains.”

Being obsessive about following gun handling rules saved my butt from a nasty accident. A friend and I came back from deer hunting with our revolvers. We both had the same gun but I had just had an action job done on mine and we were comparing trigger pulls in his parent’s basement. Both guns were empty of course with my friend’s 6 rounds sitting on the table near the ammo box. I went to take a whiz and his mother called us to dinner. When I came out his gun was just where he left it with the 6 rounds sitting on the table. I picked it up, cocked it and took aim at the water heater to try the trigger pull again. I had about 4# of pressure on the 5 # trigger but was bothered by not checking to see if it was loaded. This felt silly since the gun was in the exact same place as when I left, as was 6 rounds, and it was less than a minute since it was last checked. Never the less I uncocked it, opened the cylinder and was astonished to find 6 LIVE ROUNDS. In the minute I was gone my friend had reloaded his gun with ammo from the box and left the original 6 on the table. I was never again tempted to handle a gun without making sure it was unloaded every time it left my hand.


58 posted on 05/05/2014 2:31:58 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

All guns are loaded until they have been fully field stripped on your workbench. This guy is guilty of terminal stupidity. Should go to jail without passing go.


59 posted on 05/05/2014 2:32:03 PM PDT by zeugma (Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss (I'll see you again someday Hope))
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To: riverdawg

#3 is to do before you grab a “dead” wire to work on it. Brush first, then contact with confidence.


60 posted on 05/05/2014 2:52:53 PM PDT by Freeping Since 2001
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To: PaulCruz2016

My heart skipped a beat once when I checked a gun I knew to be unloaded and found a round in the chamber. I would NEVER, EVER get to steps 2,3,4 of assuming it’s unloaded, pointing it at someone and pulling a trigger.


61 posted on 05/05/2014 2:55:28 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: riverdawg

I know that electrical rule.....been an electronics tech in the Navy and for the Navy for 36 years.


62 posted on 05/05/2014 3:14:58 PM PDT by fredhead (Join the Navy and see the world.....77% of which is covered in water.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

HORRIBLE.

But accidents happen, be it cars, horses, lawn mowers, etc.

The thing to remember is that there are 330 MILLION Americans, with almost that many guns. There will be STUPID and CARELESS people with some of these guns. The accident rate will never be zero.

The question to ask is whether the non-story of the kid being DECAPITATED by a first-generation airbag (as happened much more frequently than this kind of accident) is any less significant than a gun accident.


63 posted on 05/05/2014 3:18:21 PM PDT by BobL
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To: riverdawg
Electrical Repair Rule Number One is SWITCH THE POWER OFF AT THE BREAKER BOX

And if you leave, when you come back CHECK TO SEE THAT IT IS STILL OFF.

Signed
Sparky

64 posted on 05/05/2014 3:21:29 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Bulwyf

I am simply expressing an opinion, but in my view, those who point a loaded gun at a child’s skull and elect to pull l the trigger killing the child, should be charged with murder.


65 posted on 05/05/2014 3:28:55 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Freeping Since 2001
#3. After testing, brush the back of your finger against the bare wire (if live, it will sting/tingle, but your twitch reflex will be away from the wire as your hand spasms closed.

I have a friend who did electrical work in the Air Force. He was taught to never touch or grab a bare wire with an open hand for the reason you state.

66 posted on 05/05/2014 3:41:31 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Methinks uncle will be moving to a new gated community.


67 posted on 05/05/2014 3:58:40 PM PDT by pa_dweller (Extremist tea-party-driven hostage-taking legislative arsonist without a life)
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To: PaulCruz2016

The level of stupidity and the frequency of stupidity of some humans makes me want to become a hermit and find some remote cave to live in.


68 posted on 05/05/2014 4:01:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

This story physically hurt. I’m serious.


69 posted on 05/05/2014 4:03:42 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: BobL
But accidents happen, be it cars, horses, lawn mowers, etc.

Sorry bob, but this was no accident. An accident is having a deer run in front of your vehicle, a meteor hitting you in the head or a tree suddenly falling on you.

Pointing a weapon as some kids head is no accident bob.

70 posted on 05/05/2014 4:05:11 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

“Pointing a weapon as some kids head is no accident bob.”

True...but by your logic, then NO CIVILIANS should be permitted to own guns, since they are too careless.

That is my point.


71 posted on 05/05/2014 4:08:32 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Lazamataz

Yep...Sad to the bone...Trying to imagine the scene...What others witnessed...no words...


72 posted on 05/05/2014 4:08:43 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: BobL
But accidents happen, be it cars, horses, lawn mowers, etc.

Sorry bob, but this was no accident. An accident is having a deer run in front of your vehicle, a meteor hitting you in the head or a tree suddenly falling on you.

Pointing a weapon as some kids head is no accident bob.

by your logic, then NO CIVILIANS should be permitted to own guns, since they are too careless.

OMG billy bob....You called this an accident and then told this was not an accident ya responded with this?

I'm getting that monkey movie feeling again...It's a flipping mad house...

73 posted on 05/05/2014 4:11:48 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

“OMG billy bob....You called this an accident and then told this was not an accident ya responded with this?”

I guess we have to disagree. I think that accidents will happen when 80 MILLION Americans own guns, because I would HATE TO THINK that civilians are NOT INCOMPETENT to own guns, due to their inherent risk and complexity.

Because if I felt, as you do, then I cannot see how we could EVER let civilians own guns, at least without a VERY SIGNIFICANT amount of training...which basically means the same thing (i.e., no civilian ownership of firearms).

I guess we just have to disagree on this. This is an open forum and not everyone will agree on me with the right to own guns.


74 posted on 05/05/2014 4:32:03 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

Pointing a gun as some innocent kids head is not an accident bob...

(I need special software that repeats my comments)


75 posted on 05/05/2014 4:47:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Ok, so you’re with Bloomberg regarding the capability of civilians to be responsible with guns.

I will WARN YOU that is a MINORITY VIEW on this site, but you can spout it as much as you want.


76 posted on 05/05/2014 4:58:22 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL
But accidents happen, be it cars, horses, lawn mowers, etc.

Sorry bob, but this was no accident. An accident is having a deer run in front of your vehicle, a meteor hitting you in the head or a tree suddenly falling on you.

Pointing a weapon as some kids head is no accident bob.

so you’re with Bloomberg regarding the capability of civilians to be responsible with guns

If ya try really hard, I bet you can be even more evasive and deceptive bob..

77 posted on 05/05/2014 5:08:16 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

So if not an accident, why did he WANT to kill the kid? If you can give me a MOTIVE, then I will agree with you.

Today, John Boener did something that most of us NEVER thought he could do - he grew a BACKBONE, and appointed Gowdy to deal with Benghazi.

Like it or not, if we allow cars on the road, INNOCENT KIDS WILL DIE due to stupid parents - if we continue to allow knives, INNOCENT KIDS WILL DIE for various reasons (including stupid parents). And, if we continue to allow civilian ownership of guns, INNOCENT KIDS WILL DIE, also for various reasons. Again, in this case, I have not yet seen a motive for killing the kid, so if this is not an accident, then what is it?

When conservatives lose the ability to stomach the FACT that accidents will happen, killing kids among others, and ALL are preventable to various degrees, then we LOSE our right to own guns.

I simply cannot go there - yes it’s sad that the kid died, very sad, but I retain enough backbone to NOT fall into Bloomberg’s hands, because I know FULL WELL his people will exploit this to the hilt.


78 posted on 05/05/2014 5:17:22 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Oliviaforever

I understand you are expressing your opinion, and that’s fine, I don’t have any trouble with that, I’m simply saying it’s not murder.

What is it is a terrible terrible tragedy, and he’ll probably get negligent discharge causing death or something like that. The worst part is someone’s son is dead, and he has to live with it the rest of his life. Personally, I wouldn’t be able to bear that burden, I’d be volunteering to go to Africa and single handedly rescue kidnapped Christian girls. Certainty of death, and maybe do some good in the meantime is the most I’d hope to ask for.


79 posted on 05/05/2014 5:21:05 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: BobL
Sorry bob, but this was no accident. An accident is having a deer run in front of your vehicle, a meteor hitting you in the head or a tree suddenly falling on you.

Pointing a weapon as some kids head is no accident bob.

So if not an accident, why did he WANT to kill the kid?

He didn't. By intentionally pointing the weapon at the kids forehead something occurred which caused the weapon to discharge. He said the kid reached for it.

Regardless if the kid reached for it or he pulled the trigger unintentionally this was no accident because he intentionally pointed the weapon at the kids head.

If he would have never pointed the weapon at the kids head, showing off his laser, would the kid still be alive bob?

If I drive my can drunk and kill you and your entire family, is it just an accident bob?

80 posted on 05/05/2014 5:27:05 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Car too!


81 posted on 05/05/2014 5:28:39 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

“If I drive my can drunk and kill you and your entire family, is it just an accident bob? “

Yep, still is, at least by the English definition of “accident”. I’m sorry that you’re taking the LIBERAL approach and redefining words, but this IS the definition of accident, and I prefer to stick with real, rather than made-up, definitions:

“an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.”

Unless you can explain to my why the killing was intentional, then I will continue to state that you DO NOT respect our language.


82 posted on 05/05/2014 5:30:54 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is not an accident - every action was done on purpose


83 posted on 05/05/2014 5:33:43 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: BobL
I’m sorry that you’re taking the LIBERAL approach

OMG....wowza...

If you think this guy intentionally pointing a weapon at that kids head was somehow an accident, you haven't a clue.

84 posted on 05/05/2014 5:34:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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I give up...Someone from the night shift can take over.


85 posted on 05/05/2014 5:40:09 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: GeronL

“Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is not an accident - every action was done on purpose”

I’m just trying to understand the motive for killing him. Maybe you can tell me then. I’m tired of arguing with that Bloomberg type.


86 posted on 05/05/2014 5:41:48 PM PDT by BobL
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To: GeronL

Tell the guy working for dial an argument, the motive was absolute stupidity and total intentional neglect.


87 posted on 05/05/2014 5:44:14 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Bulwyf

I do not believe that “I did not think the gun was loaded when I pointed it at that child and pulled the trigger” should be an affirmative defense.

If it is, every gang thug in the country will say the same thing when they shoot kids.


88 posted on 05/05/2014 5:53:21 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

It’s not a good defense. We’re not talking about gang bangers here though, we’re talking about a kid’s uncle. A family accident as dumb as it was for it to happen.


89 posted on 05/05/2014 6:10:27 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf
I realize that the guy who shot the kid will be ruined for the rest of his life, but what an idiot.

I carry. I carry ALL the time. My kids know I have rifles but they have never seen any of my handguns. My grandchildren don't even know I have guns. Until I take them out shooting after learning about guns they won't.

I carry loaded and chambered but I would never show the gun to a kid. When I show any of my guns to friends that also carry I unload and unchamber and lock the slide open and STILL treat it as loaded.

A gun is only as safe as the operator.

I recommend to just about everyone:
1. Conceal carry
2. get a gun light enough and small enough that you won't mind carrying.
3. Once you carry don't ever not carry, that is when you will be needed.
4. Practice, practice, practice. It may be overkill but I don't like to go more than two weeks without practice.
5. Carry personal defense rounds, (Hollow Points), for safety. Never let a bullet go through anything to hit someone else.
6. Get a gun safe.

I don't normally have kids around but even when I don't I keep my carry gun up high on closet shelf when I go to bed. I'm not dressed in the morning until I have my gun on. I have respectful fear of my gun but I would have more fear without it.

Guns like gasoline, cars, power tools and many other things are potentially killers and deserve a lot of respect.

90 posted on 05/05/2014 8:03:00 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

“In the minute I was gone my friend had reloaded his gun with ammo from the box and left the original 6 on the table. I was never again tempted to handle a gun without making sure it was unloaded every time it left my hand.”

Wow! Glad you didn’t learn that lesson the hard way! (As in having to buy a new water tank and drywall repair!)


91 posted on 05/05/2014 9:13:47 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve

“Wow! Glad you didn’t learn that lesson the hard way! (As in having to buy a new water tank and drywall repair!)”

Yes that near miss had a big impact on me. But at least my mistake wouldn’t have killed anyone. That typically requires breaking 2 or more of the rules simultaneously, like the bozo in the article.


92 posted on 05/06/2014 5:41:19 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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