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In Iowa, a license plate frame gets drivers tagged by police
FoxNews.com ^ | May 07, 2014 | By Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 05/07/2014 11:47:50 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

It might be time to reconsider that license plate frame boasting your allegiance to your favorite baseball team, charitable cause or alma mater, especially if you’re driving in The Hawkeye State.

The Iowa Supreme Court just ruled that drivers whose cars display the frames can be stopped if they obscure the small print below the plate numbers. The decision ended a five-year court battle stemming from the 2009 traffic stop of a man suspected of dealing drugs based on information from a confidential informant. The court ruled 5-2 last week that a 1984 law requiring drivers to “permit full view of all numerals and letters” on the plate includes the county name.

“While a person who sees a driver commit a crime may not be able to remember a complete license plate number, the person may be more easily able to recall the county name,” Justice Thomas Waterman wrote. “This would narrow the search to identify the vehicle. The county name on a plate also shows whether a vehicle is registered locally or not, which may be relevant in identifying suspicious behavior.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: cars; cops; donutwatch; driving; iowa; licenseplate; licenseplateframe
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Yet ANOTHER DUMBA$$ Iowa "Law"!
1 posted on 05/07/2014 11:47:50 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

Police: “Papers please. What are you doing driving outside your allotted area??


2 posted on 05/07/2014 11:50:47 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: US Navy Vet

The plate is on there for a reason (and of course now they are scanned automatically by photo-electric equipment). I can see this being enforced nationally before long.


3 posted on 05/07/2014 11:51:06 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraiaq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: US Navy Vet

The county name on a plate also shows whether a vehicle is registered locally or not, which may be relevant in identifying suspicious behavior.”

and let police pick on those out of county types who were dumb enough to cross the county line.


4 posted on 05/07/2014 11:52:14 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: nascarnation

Time for custom plates?


5 posted on 05/07/2014 11:55:17 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Mouton
This is reasonable. If the police are looking for someone from Sample County, it helps them ID the perp. Why not? They ought to be able to read the whole license plate.

6 posted on 05/07/2014 11:55:49 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: US Navy Vet
“While a person who sees a driver commit a crime may not be able to remember a complete license plate number, the person may be more easily able to recall the county name,”

Maybe, but I'd think they even more likely remember the licence plate frame, especially if it had a fancy logo on it.

7 posted on 05/07/2014 11:55:57 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: nascarnation

That’d be tough to do.

Many states (including my home, Virginia) do not put county names on license plates.


8 posted on 05/07/2014 11:56:53 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: nascarnation

or custom plate frames.


9 posted on 05/07/2014 11:57:59 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: WayneS

The photoscanner will tell them who it’s registered to. It won’t be long before all cop cars have them, and a lot more installed in fixed positions on major highways.

It’s all about knowing what we’re up to.


10 posted on 05/07/2014 11:58:48 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraiaq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: nascarnation

Isn’t this the law in most states? That the info on the license plate has to be visible?


11 posted on 05/07/2014 11:59:04 AM PDT by GIdget2004
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To: GIdget2004

I believe it is. The automated scanning equipment gives LEOs a huge amount of data with very little effort required.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number_plate_recognition#United_States


12 posted on 05/07/2014 12:01:02 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraiaq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Genoa

I am not familiar with the policies associated with including county names on Iowa license plates.

Is it possible for identical license plate alphanumeric sequences to be issued by more than one county?

If so, I see their point. However, if each license plate has a unique alphanumeric sequence, then I think this rule is just petty bureaucracy.


13 posted on 05/07/2014 12:03:03 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: GIdget2004

Heck, we’re lucky to have the state name on our tags.


14 posted on 05/07/2014 12:03:05 PM PDT by glock rocks (If you like your health plan, you're a racist !)
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To: US Navy Vet

“Yet ANOTHER DUMBA$$ Iowa “Law””

No, the judge is just making it easier for kids to play the “99 Counties” game.


15 posted on 05/07/2014 12:05:52 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Genoa

In theory I agree it is helpful. However, I wonder how many individuals will get ticketed just for having something obscure some part of the plate. Furthermore, if they are looking for a particular vehicle, say a 2010 White Camry, what would be more specific, one from “Sample County” or one with an obstruction over part of the plate. I submit it would be the latter.

I recall a story where the police asked for surplus night vision equipment under the homeland security financing. What did they use them for? To ensure individuals were wearing seatbelts. Yeah, it made sense they might need the vision enhancements to spot terrorists at night (assuming they knew what they looked like) but of course that became secondary to raising money.


16 posted on 05/07/2014 12:06:54 PM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: US Navy Vet

So he was not framed because his plate was framed?


17 posted on 05/07/2014 12:07:40 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more.)
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To: Fido969

My Iowa County Name, “Pottawattamie County” lotsa luck “remembering THAT one!


18 posted on 05/07/2014 12:11:08 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Don’t give them an excuse to pull you over.


19 posted on 05/07/2014 12:11:33 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: US Navy Vet

The Iowa “Supreme Court” is about as worthless as tits on a Boar!


20 posted on 05/07/2014 12:15:47 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

you’re a long way from home now, aren’t ya? seems suspicious to me.


21 posted on 05/07/2014 12:24:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: US Navy Vet

NY has parkways. Only non Commercial vehicles allowed. You can drive an F 150 or ram 1500 or the equivalent with passenger plates. You can not get passenger plates on F-250 350 or Ram 2500 or 3500 due to the weight. Thus you cannot drive on the parkways.

Many guys I know put the oversized frames over their plates so that the word COMMERCIAL on the bottom of the plate is no longer visible. An astute cop picks this up quickly as there are other give away points on commercial plates. If the cop wants to get you he will


22 posted on 05/07/2014 12:27:30 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Genoa

not all plates have the county.

particularly specialty plates.


23 posted on 05/07/2014 12:31:00 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Mouton
The county name on a plate also shows whether a vehicle is registered locally or not

Texas doesn't have county names on plates. The state said that I the frames hide the state mane, the vehicle can be stopped. It also said that the toll road cameras cannot send the "Pay by mail" charges to drivers.

Well, there is am impression of Texas in the center of every plate. Of course, that shape could be easily mistaken fo another state. < /sarc>

24 posted on 05/07/2014 12:40:56 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: nascarnation
It’s all about knowing what we’re up to.

The good news is, driving isn't a right, so you're not having any rights infringed. If it worries you, don't have a vehicle.
25 posted on 05/07/2014 12:46:47 PM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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Well you are wrong there it is if you are an illegal


26 posted on 05/07/2014 12:54:31 PM PDT by al baby (Hi MomÂ…)
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To: TexasGunLover

I’m not worried at all.

Being a long time FReeper I’m sure to already be at the top of the regime’s sh!tlist.


27 posted on 05/07/2014 1:00:43 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraiaq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: nascarnation
Being a long time FReeper I’m sure to already be at the top of the regime’s sh!tlist.

Yep, that's my attitude as well - may as well embrace the horror. It's surprisingly liberating.

28 posted on 05/07/2014 1:21:33 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: nascarnation

Can someone please tell me how the photo scanning equipment works.. does it work on visible light or some other spectrum?


29 posted on 05/07/2014 1:28:57 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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I assume it’s visible light, optical character recognition.
I don’t think the license plates have any RFID in them, but I may be wrong.

Dirt cheap too:
http://www.rakuten.com/prod/lpr-license-plate-recognition-camera-1-3-sony-super-had-ccd-9-22mm-dc/246364507.html?listingId=257779396&scid=pla_google_EvertechUSA&adid=18165&gclid=CNGv3fbTmr4CFeY-MgodGlUAyg


30 posted on 05/07/2014 1:31:12 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraiaq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Mouton
"I submit it would be the latter."

And you would be wrong.

Narrowing down the 2010 White Camries in Sample County is much easier than searching for all of them in the state, which may or may not have an obscured plate.

31 posted on 05/07/2014 1:37:21 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: US Navy Vet

Old law but never enforced.


32 posted on 05/07/2014 1:41:52 PM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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Well you are wrong there it is if you are an illegal(sic)

???
33 posted on 05/07/2014 1:43:01 PM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: nascarnation

That camera has IR led’s ... I wonder what inconspicuous handheld lasers would be powerful enough to damage the ccd chip?


34 posted on 05/07/2014 2:08:04 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer

That’s way beyond my span of knowledge.
But you’d have to kill a lot of them, because they are well on the way to becoming std equipment in every LEO vehicle plus all over the place as stationary mounts.


35 posted on 05/07/2014 2:32:40 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraiaq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: iowamark

Tell that to my daughter(she got a “Fix-It” ticket just for THIS)!


36 posted on 05/07/2014 2:40:07 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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whether a vehicle is registered locally or not, which may be relevant in identifying suspicious behavior.

Often referred to as the "You're not from around here, are you, boy" clause...

37 posted on 05/07/2014 3:10:54 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: US Navy Vet
My Iowa County Name, “Pottawattamie County” lotsa luck “remembering THAT one!

That's one that would be hard to FORGET!

38 posted on 05/07/2014 3:19:39 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Quite a few people use wide tag frames to cover up state names while in other states, especially with so many states having so many different kinds of subdued colors on tags. It allows more for hit-and-run escapes, when they’re out of state. Very obvious in tourism states, where many out of state tags are often seen.


39 posted on 05/07/2014 3:40:40 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: nascarnation

If you’re in a rural area with private roads, even better cameras can be found cheap for license plate recording—very low light cameras that don’t emit light and can be effectively hidden with good ballistic protection. With little traffic and slow traffic speeds (rough roads, speed bumps/dips), software motion detection works well. Cameras are best used by private folks for private reasons.


40 posted on 05/07/2014 3:50:40 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: nascarnation

Dim solar lighting can be used separate from the cameras also to prevent cameras from being seen and to introduce outfacing light noise for more residential privacy (lower costs than using starlight tech.).


41 posted on 05/07/2014 3:53:25 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: diogenes ghost

“I submit it would be the latter.”
And you would be wrong.

and you know this based on your vast experience?

My sense is there would be more white camry’s in Sample County upon the roadway without obscured plates than there are with. This was a discussion for sample county not the whole state and for the observation of vehicles on the road not parked in a garage. If it were the whole state, you would be correct though.

Anyway, a hypothecial wherein someone knows the county but was unable to read any part of the alpha numeric on the plate defies logic. It would be like reading an eye chart from the bottom up and saying you don’t see the E.


42 posted on 05/07/2014 3:57:54 PM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: glock rocks
Heck, we’re lucky to have the state name on our tags.

Most of the state names on tags here in Kansas are Texas, Missouri and Oklahoma, or so it seems, since about 25% of Kansas residents tag in other states to evade paying our high personal property tax.
43 posted on 05/07/2014 4:52:34 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Why is Jon Corzine a free man?)
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To: US Navy Vet

I’ve heard of drivers getting into trouble for “obstructed license plates” in other locals. One reason why I never put obstructive frames on my car.


44 posted on 05/07/2014 4:54:56 PM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: Mouton
"This was a discussion based on a sample county..."

Uhhh, not quite. It was a discussion about the "sample county" logo being obscured. If the surround plate hides the county label, police are forced to expand their search to the entire state, which is far more difficult.

So, my contention stands as .....correct.

45 posted on 05/07/2014 6:28:52 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: nascarnation

My understanding is that many readers are using IR. This allows the use of an illuminator without it being seen. OCR works well in that spectrum as well. I have also seen IR lighting kits for license plates which cause an over exposure, ruining the data collection. Not sure what the percentages are for plate readers, clearly most traffic cameras use visible light.


46 posted on 05/07/2014 7:51:56 PM PDT by Starwolf
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To: Neidermeyer
That camera has IR led’s ... I wonder what inconspicuous handheld lasers would be powerful enough to damage the ccd chip?

Most chips are protected against that kind of attack today, however, they do respond to the energy and the image is washed out. It is a good way to monkey wrench nosy neighbor cameras and the like.

47 posted on 05/07/2014 7:59:55 PM PDT by Starwolf
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To: WayneS
Many states .. do not put county names on license plates.

Ohio does. It's on a tiny sticker in the corner of the plate. You need to be real close to see it... ;-)

48 posted on 05/07/2014 8:04:27 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: TexasGunLover
Why isn't driving a Right? I wasn't aware that traveling on Public Property is a Privilege.

Just shows how we let our Freedoms slide away, inch by inch "for the greater good" with no push back.

Do you need a License to ride a Horse? A Horse weighs more than some Cars and Motorcycles and it could injure or kill someone in an accident. If the issue is protecting others, make Liability Insurance mandatory for any form of Transportation. That way the Public is protected. Did Geico Insure Wagon Trains?

49 posted on 05/07/2014 8:41:05 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: diogenes ghost

I will agree to disagree on that point and let it go. I was not on the top of my game yesterday due to an ailment.


50 posted on 05/08/2014 5:35:01 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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