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Killer's family tried to intervene before rampage [Liberal spin begins]
YAHOO ^ | 26 MAY 2014 | AP

Posted on 05/26/2014 11:45:32 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

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To: miserare
The press should NAME that useless psychiatrist, who had been treating the young man for quite some time.

The story speaks of a therapist. How do you know it wasn't a psychologist or a grief counselor?

How do you know the kid wasn't good at hiding his true feelings?

The way I see it, unless you want a police state enforcing thought control, the cops are here to pick up the pieces after the crime. We are left with chance that we will not be victims. We are left to our own wits to skirt and defend against danger where we perceive it. It's a better choice than the rising notion of enforcing behavior as chosen by the criminal elite.

21 posted on 05/26/2014 12:14:41 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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Why wasn’t Elliot Rodgers not in a lockdown mental health ward? How can a young man seeing several therapists and other mental health specialist(s) buy weapons? How is it not possible that this person NOT be on any lists that make him ineligible to own or buy guns? His parents were trying to have him institutionalized for christ sake. Why wasn’t enough information given to the police, before his gun rampage throughout the city? All this happening in one of the most restrictive second amendment states in the nation. I want someone jailed for failing to stop this guy.


22 posted on 05/26/2014 12:15:55 PM PDT by redreno (Americans don't go Gault. Americans go Postal.)
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To: boycott

His father did not blame the NRA and politicians. The father of one of the victims did. Get your facts straight before spouting off.


23 posted on 05/26/2014 12:26:21 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: redreno
Those are great questions. The answer to the one is that there isn't currently a means of attaching state mental health records to the federal NICS. Some states report some things - actual involuntary commitment, for example - and not others, such as credible threats. The systematization of this is fairly controversial - see this story in the NY Post. Gun rights advocates consider it abusable, but so do certain mental health professionals who feel it would place a chill on patient/doctor communications. States seem to be better at this than the feds where they do it at all. This was a big topic after the Virginia Tech shootings of 2007.
24 posted on 05/26/2014 12:30:28 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: bigdaddy45

His father did not blame the NRA and politicians. The father of one of the victims did. Get your facts straight before spouting off.


Maybe not but it was a headline of a major news outlet. You’re welcome to check that out. And next time I spout off, I’ll clear it with your ass.


25 posted on 05/26/2014 12:38:43 PM PDT by boycott
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To: 9YearLurker
I thought that was one of the victims’ father trying to score those political points.

You're correct. This has been a recurring error on this and other posts about this incident. The father of one of the victims is the one who went on a rant about politicians and the NRA.

26 posted on 05/26/2014 12:40:30 PM PDT by Oliver Boliver Butt
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To: boycott
From my understanding it was the father of one of the victims that blamed the NRA, but also read several other reports that the father of the killer also mentioned the NRA.

The most astonishing thing I read was that the father of the victim wanted to meet with the father of the killer to stop future killings.

27 posted on 05/26/2014 12:42:35 PM PDT by mware
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To: boycott
JMO-
Nor was he much of a man, as his sons behavior is that of a self-repressed, afraid to 'come out' homo in denial.
Who else wants to hurt women as much?
28 posted on 05/26/2014 12:44:11 PM PDT by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: mware

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2639404/He-lost-son-I-lost-son-common-Father-boy-shot-dead-virgin-killer-wants-meet-director-father-prevent-future-massacres.html


29 posted on 05/26/2014 12:44:32 PM PDT by mware
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To: mware

The most astonishing thing I read was that the father of the victim wanted to meet with the father of the killer to stop future killings.


Timothy McVeigh makes me believe they might need to talk about banning fertilizer too. muslim terrorists killed 3000 innocent Americans with box cutters and planes.

If they do meet, I hope they take at least a few minutes to discuss morals and values.


30 posted on 05/26/2014 12:47:47 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Rodgers was in treatment practically since he could walk. These parents, like them or not, weren’t like the woman in Sandy Hook, who denied her son’s illness and even took him out of school to avoid treatment...and bought and made the guns available to him...until she suddenly had to admit the fact that he was crazy and dangerous. But then it was too late.

Rodgers’ parents were worried about what would happen when he turned 18 and no longer had to go to treatment. They were afraid he would stop, which he appears to have done - but maybe not permanently. I read in another source that he was actually living in some kind of special apartment residence for people who had mental disabilities but were more or less functional (that is, people with things like OCD, but who were controlled with medication).

I think it will probably emerge that he was under treatment, although possibly he wasn’t following through with it, taking the medication, or whatever. And then, therapists are famous for ignoring warning signs. The Colorado movie theater gunman’s therapist “thought about” alerting the police, but then decided that he could sue her or sue the university if she did, so she just sent a vague note to somebody at the university and hoped for the best.


31 posted on 05/26/2014 12:49:38 PM PDT by livius
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To: boycott

Well some of us are capable of reading the whole article, and not just the headline. No “maybe” about it. If you have a source or a quote, post it. Otherwise, you’re full of it.


32 posted on 05/26/2014 12:52:13 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: 45semi

The kid was a spoiled brat. Liberals and Hollywood laugh at traditional morals and family values. Seems the kid and all the victims would have been a lot better off it Hollywood would shut up.


33 posted on 05/26/2014 12:54:44 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Kit cat

Please, do not interject facts into emotional knee-jerking reactions by posters.

It ruins the Karma.

“: )


34 posted on 05/26/2014 12:55:37 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: jsanders2001
So the next time you see that plumbing van sitting up on top of the hill during a shoot’em up you’ll look at it differently


35 posted on 05/26/2014 1:00:25 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: bigdaddy45

Well some of us are capable of reading the whole article, and not just the headline. No “maybe” about it. If you have a source or a quote, post it. Otherwise, you’re full of it.


Appears several read the same thing. And it was from normally very reliable source. I’ve been wrong before but no need for the tone or being a smartass. I’d tell you to shove it up your azz if you had talked with me that way. If you retired from the pentagon, you should know about being wrong many of times.


36 posted on 05/26/2014 1:04:05 PM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott
The videos prove the father failed at teaching good values and morals to his son.

Butt...butt....butt... his father was a very busy man.

37 posted on 05/26/2014 1:04:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

LOL!!!! I will keep that mind!!!


38 posted on 05/26/2014 1:14:04 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
and had recently remarried a 22-year woman just months older than his son.

Dad and the new wife have a child of 6. Unless he was screwing around with a 15YO, your dates are off.

Reading the bio of this woman, Soumaya Akaaboune, it says dad met her 15 years ago. She looks to be mid 30s to me.

39 posted on 05/26/2014 1:16:32 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: boycott; bigdaddy45

I have been searching, and every FIND comes back with FATHER OF VICTIM says NRA... whatever.

NONE of them state that the FATHER of the MURDERER made that statement. Matter of fact, he has AVOIDED making that kind of statement.

What happened to YOU, and to OTHERS is that the info about the FATHER of the VICTIM making the NRA association has so far been INCLUDED in every article about the MURDER or FATHER of the PERP.

It would be easy to read through an article, and read it incorrectly, then retain it as ‘fact’.

If you check for yourself, I think you will have to admit that you and others just made a mistake. (Actually, it’s a trick pulled by the media. Don’t feel too bad, many fall for it)


40 posted on 05/26/2014 1:17:16 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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