Skip to comments.For father of released POW, growing a beard and studying captors defined the years
Posted on 06/03/2014 11:52:24 AM PDT by Persevero
Bob Henley, former pastor at the(ir) Presbyterian Church of the Big Wood, recalled how friends periodically would ask Bergdahl if he hadnt crossed some line, if he hadnt succumbed to some form of the captive-bonding Stockholm syndrome.
But Bergdahl assured his friends he was just doing whatever he could to ensure his sons release. I guess you really had to be in his shoes, Henley said.
The five-year waittook a toll on both of his parents, according to friends and others .
Bergdahl is fiercely intelligent, friends said, yet he dropped out of college, going to Idaho with his wife in 1980 after studying at the University of California at Santa Barbara. He taught himself Pashto. He is religious, at one point making the 300-mile round trip a couple of times a month to attend an Orthodox Presbyterian church in Boise with his family.
Bergdahhas said he grew his beard as a chronology marking the time that his son was missing. Bergdahl also did it in a bid to win sympathy from his sons captors.
At the time their son was taken, the Bergdahls were attending a conservative Presbyterian church in Boise. Glenn Ferrell was the pastor.(H)e talked at length with Bergdahl, as the father questioned and probed his own beliefs to reach some understanding of the radical Islam driving the Taliban.
Bergdahl also talked with Mark Stephensen, a board member of the National League of POW/MIA Families, who lives in Boise. Stephensens father was a Vietnam War MIA for 21 years. Stephensen saw how Bergdahl had changed his appearance and altered his interests to align with his sons experience.
Ill give him the benefit of the doubt, Stephensen said, because, by the grace of God, I wasnt in his position.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Fine. But you appear to be defending Bob despite clear demonstrations on Bob’s part of solidarity with Radical Islam.
His son is SAFE now. WTF is he continuing to advocate for the release of Gitmo enemy combatants? Not prisoners of war - ENEMY COMBATANTS under the Geneva Convention.
You’ve been a conservative FReeper in my experience. So WTF, dude? Why are you riding the brakes on Bob Bergdahl?
A parade needs hordes of townspeople to show up. Given all the negative publicity, I suspect the event would have been a big letdown.
You can rely on the Washington Post to try to bail this lousy president out of his latest mess. In Texas, we have thousands of true heroes who did their duty with honor. Their parents have never had a scripted love-fest in the White House Rose Garden, as this deserter’s parents had.
I was lisetning to Dr. Steve Pieczenik lastnite, and according to him, the Haqqani network was originally setup by the CIA and Pakistani military intelligence! Pieczenik is no lite-weight, but has worked with several administrations in counter-terrorism and psy-ops.
-— Their parents have never had a scripted love-fest in the White House Rose Garden, as this deserters parents had. -—
According to Howie Carr, if you watch the Rose Garden love-fest, Zero breaks into a grin when the father starts speaking in Arabic.
I can’t view it at the moment. If I do, I might smash my screen.
The chief CIA dude gets outed?
The President didn't notify Congress.
The President ignored Karzai on his "I love the troops" trip and met with all our top guys in the country.
Tried to sneak through the stopping of the order to wage combat in Afghanistan.
Wow...Obama had to be using a regular check list. Where's Valerie?
Set up by the CIA?
Strongest possible warning on embedded video:
The cancellation of the parade was a big letdown for all the local egg and tomato farmers.
His father apparently encouraged him to desert.
If I have any sympathy at all it is for the dozens of families that were devastated when their sons died looking for this POS.
Bergdahl’s father deserves no sympathy at all. None. Absolutely none.
I wouldn't necessarily look to the WaPo for understanding. I prefer to rely on the the statements of his fellow soldiers and his own words which seem to be quite incriminating.
Yep. Why isn’t “bob” giving the Taliban the finger for capturing his son and holding him against his will for five years? (”allegedly”) Why isn’t he cursing and condemning the Taliban? Because he’s apparently batshit crazy for one thing, and probably a terrorist sympathizer.
- a family that are members of Bible believing churches with credible pastors for decades being accused of being Muslim sleepers
- a conservative Christian who suddenly spouts Pashto
Being a member of a good Church, although a good thing, really does not allow us to see into one's heart... When trials come, they may abandon the Faith that they once claimed. The Apostle John talked about this in his first epistle
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
I.e., these kind of things were happening in the First Century. Maybe they weren't spouting praises to Allah, but at the time of trials they were praising whatever deity Satan was pushing.
The fire of the furnace separates the dross from the precious.
No, I am not the judge - but I would not say that the examples you cited don't make sense. Similar actions have been all too common in the past.
Really - this belittled the WH? Obama is the Champion WH Belittler and was loving every minute of it (you can see the big smile clearly). I am sure he and Bergdohl shared a little muslim prayer just before coming outside.
Here is another opinion that puts some historical perspective to this strange behavior:
And this gives us a little more about the euphoria expected by the WH:
and maybe the dad’s politics:
Then we can expect to see the beard disappear?
Remember, Hasan grew a beard starting with his capture.
I can't believe Bergdahl's emails weren't monitored/censored.
Had my son or daughter sent me messages like that, I would have done my best to contact the unit CO. This wasn't mere griping, something all soldiers do. This was far more than that, and the chain of command had to be made aware of it.
I'm also looking forward to hearing from the young man's squad leader, platoon sergeant, and platoon leader. It was their job to know their soldiers.
The only credible explanation for Bob Bergdahl's behavior is that he has apostatized from the Christian faith. He didn't spend years growing a Muslin style beard or learning Arabic and verses from the Koran as a hobby.
“Youve been a conservative FReeper in my experience. So WTF, dude? Why are you riding the brakes on Bob Bergdahl?”
I am very conservative.
I just think there’s a rush to judgment, here. Maybe not. I could be wrong. But since I am good friends with a man who is good friends with them I have an unusual interest in the whole thing.
The only reason I can come up with is that it’s part of some deal, he’s being handled, and while I can’t necessarily defend that I put it forward as a possibility.
You may not exaggerate at all. This could be the case.
True, it could have been an elaborate, multi-decade fake job. Not likely, but possible. Towards what end?
“Then we can expect to see the beard disappear?”
Well, I am no fan of beards. No doubt another controversial statement that will get me flamed from all sides!
I don’t know, I’ve been trying to get FReepers to take a breather and consider all angles. Most seem to think there are no other angles to consider.
“If I have any sympathy at all it is for the dozens of families that were devastated when their sons died looking for this POS.”
My sympathy is 100% with them as well and I hope the truth absolutely comes out.
“Their parents have never had a scripted love-fest in the White House Rose Garden, as this deserters parents had.”
You can scrutinize my posts for any endorsement of the current admin and you will find none. . . interesting you saw it as scripted as well. . . that is one of the things that makes me go “hmmm.”
0bama uses people like they were cheap whores.
I am just pointing out that the same folks existed in the First Century. Paul has similar remarks in his letter to the Hebrews. The point is that their 'Christianity' never was rooted. Perhaps the Lord Jesus' sayings are better, and clearer:
Matthew 13:3-9 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matthew 13:18-23 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Basically they received the 'seed' on stony ground. It never penetrated their hearts. They enjoyed hearing the word, but when trouble arose - they were quick to leave.
The truth is out. He deserted his unit and at least a half dozen good soldiers died trying to find him.
Unless you have some evidence to support any other theory about what happened, then you wouldn't accept the truth if it bit you on the behind.
He advised his father that he was going to desert and his father advised him to follow his conscience.
And you have "sympathy" for him?
Sorry, I'll reserve my sympathy for the victims of this clown and his clown family.
“And you have “sympathy” for him?”
I have sympathy for his family.
I have concern for him and am reserving judgement.
I believe the reports of the soldiers, but they don’t know first hand what happened. So they are giving their best, educated opinion. There may be more to it, that’s all.
Obviously you don't know the difference between mere opinion and eyewitness testimony. The guys in his unit were witnesses to what he did. They are not providing their opinions but their observations.
Do you consider the Gospels of Matthew and John to be opinion pieces or eyewitness testimony to what Jesus did?
Do you understand the difference?
no need for hostility.
The soldiers didn’t see him walk off base. They do testify that he left certain things behind and so on.
I believe the entire Bible to be the very word of God.
Of course I understand the difference.
Guess what. Bonkers gets the same sentence. Think about the guy with TBI who watched members of his unit killed. Then he went out and slaughtered a bunch of Afghanis in the night. Just because of some meds combined with trauma. He is still in prison. It doesn’t matter if the military should have never sent him on another tour. Bonkers is no excuse.
And those certain things included a note renouncing his American Citizenship and advising them that he was deserting.
How much proof do you need before you acknowledge the truth?
OJ was found not guilty of killing Nicole. What is the truth?
Maybe he was working for the CIA in order to gain intel on the whereabouts of OBL. Like you might find in a spy novel. So he left his Army unit and sought the Taliban. Of course, to prove his loyalty to the Taliban, he had to aid in the killing of some US service members. His dad had to play along with this whole charade. Blah blah blah.
Now this hogwash from WaPo. Sounds like the WH has decided to double down and have told the MSM to start running the "he's really a great patriot" kind of stories.
The liberals will of course buy this BS from their media, and this will be the end of it. Another victory for Obama and the other enemies of the USA.
Maybe he is from outer space. Maybe he's working for the x-files unit of the FBI.
I guess the optic of Obama standing in the Rose Garden with the parents could have been worse; the mother could have been in a burqa or the old man wearing a suicide vest. After that image of the father next to Obama the situation could have only done south.
Can’t wait to see what they look like when they attend Sgt. Bergdahl’s White House welcome home MOH award ceremony.
Do you or don't you think Bowe deserted?
Do you or don't you think Bowe converted to Islam?
I know what I've heard and seen....And I've thought about it for some time.
Persevero.........you are sucking on the MSM tit.
Ah...the truth comes out.
Hope you and your friend are ready for disappointment.
Hell, we didn't see Monica give BJC a BJ..but we know she did.
Good gawd woman!! Get a grip!!
Okay. I’m good with that. You have a connection and want to be cautious. I had to ask. No offense intended, FRiend.
Persevero has been a conservative FReeper in my experience. (S)he has a second-hand connection to Bob Bergdahl. Bob’s first-hand connections are likely in denial and defending his actions while the rest of us see Bob for what he is.
This is not unusual. Persevero wants to believe his/her friends and give them the benefit of the doubt. Let’s see what transpires. I’m not ready to condemn Persevero.
I am slow to reach conclusions myself sometimes when I am closer to the issue than others. No harm done yet.
I agree with you. And I can see how a kid who is not all that prepared for war and was homeschooled might think he can leave and go. It’s unpopular around here, but I do consider him a POW.
Thankyou Texan and Squid for your decent words. I appreciate your courtesy.
For all: More food for thought below (publicly posted on Facebook so I’m sharing it) Can you understand why I’m not quite willing to just latch on to the whole “family is a sleeper cell” thing?
“I mentioned recently that Bowe Bergdahl’s parents were members of an OPC church when he was captured by the Taliban and since that time I’ve had a lot of people ask me if they had become Muslims or what was up. I asked their former pastor Phil Proctor if he would mind giving me something I could share, this is what Phil wrote:
“I appreciate your asking about the Bergdahls. Ive really been saddened about how the Christian community is jumping all over this. Heres the deal...
I pastored the Bergdahl family in 2003, prior to going to Uganda. We were very close, and remained so throughout my time in Uganda (I just found out this evening that apparently Im referenced in some important Rolling Stone article from 2012).
Bowe was a young man with all the dangers of home-schooling a brilliant and inquisitive mind, a crisp thinker, and someone who had never really been exposed to evil in the world. He was wanting to determine whether the Christian faith was his own, or his parents and was doing a lot of exploring of ideas never drugs or alcohol, but trying to be an outdoors/Renaissance type figure. Weve stayed in close contact with Bob and Jani, especially since Bowes capture. Since we moved here to Northern Virginia, Bob and Jani have stayed in our home on a couple of occasions, and Ive spoken on the phone with Bob once a month or so.
Bob felt (with some justification) that the US government was not going to engage with diplomatic efforts and so decided to try to free his son himself. He learned Pashtun and developed a lot of contacts in the Middle East. The Qatar connection is one that either originated with Bob or, at the very least, became very personally connected to Bob. Bob has, for quite some time, been saying that the closure of Guantanamo is integrally connected to the release of his son.
Whatever one thinks of Bobs political views, I can attest to both he and Janis unwavering commitment to Christ and trust in him. Ive prayed with both of them regularly. They both have been through a torture mill that I cannot begin to comprehend 5 years of a living death. It has affected their health, both physically and mentally, as Bob has been completely obsessed with tracking down any possible communication avenue to get his son home. There are a number of things I would disagree with Bob on in terms of political statements, but at the end of the day, I think this whole mess is a WHOLE lot more complicated than a 30 second sound bite can explore the very existence of Gitmo attests to the complicated nature from the very beginning, and its only gotten worse over the years.
To the foundational issue: Bob and Jani both have regularly confessed their dependence upon Christ and rest in him the most recent being Bobs conversation with me about a month ago. They are broken people who need prayer, love, and compassion. I personally intend to run as hard as I can in the opposite direction of judging his words in the moment of his crucible I would HATE to have that standard applied to my moments of stress, which have never reached anything approaching his intensity and duration!
Feel free to forward this and use it as widely as you like.
Yours in Christ,
Pastor, Sterling Presbyterian Church (OPC)
FYI. My most recent conversation with Bob and Jani was 30 minutes ago. Still Christians “
What was that “Allah the merciful” Arabic chant all about? Why didn’t they praise Jesus?
HAHAHA!! Totally laughable!!!
Yeah blame it all on HS'ing....
Geesh, the more you post, the more I think you've zero understanding what your "friends" think, believe, or worship period.
It's dangerous to be so naive.
When it becomes clear to you...let me know. I hope your discernment get's better...fore I think it's seriously lacking right now.
Bowe deserted his post. Period.
You aren't understanding what the Taliban does or wants.
Home schooled had something to do with his deserting?????? You are as dumb as my rock pile out back...in the south 40.
Squid is right.
What the heck has happened to FR...?!?!?!?
“Bowe was a young man with all the dangers of home-schooling ”
I homeschooled all five of my kids and am a huge proponent of home schooling.
Just because I copied the Facebook post doesn’t mean I am going all along with everything said. Just trying to give people some perspective.