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R.I. House finally Ratifies 17th U.S. Constitutional Amendment: direct election of U.S. senators
Rhode Island Public Radio ^ | June 5, 2014 | Scott MacKay

Posted on 06/05/2014 7:41:43 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

At the behest of House Judiciary Committee Chairman Cale Keable, D-Burrillville, the Rhode Island House has finally voted to ratify the 17th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which reqired direct election of U.S. Senators.

Before the amendment took effect in 1913, senators were elected by state legislators. That system was widely criticized for breeding corruption as senate aspirants bribed lawmakers to secure the votes needed to win senate seats.

The ceremonial resolution approved by the House doesn’t change anything, Keable acknowledged, but he said it does send a message ``that Rhode Island values democracy.’’

Rhode Island never ratified the 17th Amendment, but the state’s inaction was moot because the necessary three fourths of states approved it. Rhode Island in that era was controlled by Protestant Republicans but immigration from Roman Catholic countries of Europe brought many to the state who became Democrats.

A 1905 state census showed that Rhode Island was the first state to have a Roman Catholic majority. Republicans did not want citizens to vote because they were much more likely to elect Democrats to the Senate than was the GOP-controlled General Assembly. Since direction election of senators and particularly since the Great Depression if the 1930s, Rhode Island voters have sent more Democrats to the senate than Republicans. Since World War II, the only two Republicans elected to the senate from Rhode Island were John Chafee and his son, Lincoln Chafee, the state's current governor.

Rhode Island's current two senators, Jack Reed and Sheldon Whitehouse, are both Democrats.

Most historians cite the Progressive Era and the government changes it ushered in with leading the drive for direct election of senators. In recent some in the Tea Party and fringe conservatives in the Republican Party nationally, but not in Rhode Island, have lobbied for repeal of the 17th Amendment.

Some conservatives believe that having voters elect senators has diluted states rights. Among those upset with the 17 Amendment are Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah and such tea party favorites as Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Todd Akin, the unsuccessful Missouri 2012 Republican senate candidate.

``The right to choose one’s own elected representatives is held very dear by Americans,’’ said Keable in a statement. ``This a chance to rectify our inaction on this matter a century ago.’’


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Rhode Island
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; 17thamendment; corruption; democrats; gop; history; progressives; progressivism; ratification; republicans; rhodeisland
Rhode Island house votes to dilute the state's sovereignty 101 years after the fact.
1 posted on 06/05/2014 7:41:43 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Jacquerie

PING!


2 posted on 06/05/2014 7:42:23 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Of COURSE bacon is good for you!!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I work with a guy who likes to say, “Help me understand what you’re saying ... I only have a Rhode Island public school education ... and I’m just not sure what you mean ...”


3 posted on 06/05/2014 7:43:23 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I admit I couldn’t understand why Mark Levin hammers this issue frequently but now it makes total sense.


4 posted on 06/05/2014 7:44:24 PM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The End)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The 17th shoulda been repealed when they repealed the 19th. Worst gd idea ever.

A very big nail in the coffin of the rights of the sovereign states.

5 posted on 06/05/2014 7:45:36 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( A disbarred gay Muslim lawyer from Kenya as POTUS? Sure! What could go wrong?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Rhode Island values democracy more than the original framers ever did.


6 posted on 06/05/2014 7:47:09 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

at this point, other then voting less often, how are senators different from house members?


7 posted on 06/05/2014 7:47:34 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Before the amendment took effect in 1913, senators were elected by state legislators. That system was widely criticized for breeding corruption as senate aspirants bribed lawmakers to secure the votes needed to win senate seats.

Thank goodness they fixed that corruption problem.

8 posted on 06/05/2014 7:48:23 PM PDT by seowulf (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. Cogito.---Ambrose Bierce)
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To: DariusBane

“democracy” is not something I value as highly as say being a “Constitutional Republic”


9 posted on 06/05/2014 7:48:55 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Repeal the 17th!!!!


10 posted on 06/05/2014 7:51:41 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: sten

They are still apportioned equally amongst the states.


11 posted on 06/05/2014 7:51:47 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Of COURSE bacon is good for you!!!)
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To: seowulf

Nailed it!


12 posted on 06/05/2014 7:52:10 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Of COURSE bacon is good for you!!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Would like to see a good handful of states RETRACT their previous ratification. At least symbolicallly, bring the current ‘RATifications of the 17th below the number required.


13 posted on 06/05/2014 7:54:25 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The absolute most corrupt state in the union, most of the employed are employed by the State. They are running out of Union pension money because the entire state is dependent on tax dollars and think they deserve it.

Now becoming the new “Martha’s Vineyard”.
The Elites own the shore and the dopes own Providence and environs.

I fear for my friends there!


14 posted on 06/05/2014 7:58:44 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: C210N

The 17th amendment is why Michigan is a GOP controlled state with 2 democrat senators and it sucks.


15 posted on 06/05/2014 8:00:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: seowulf

LOL


16 posted on 06/05/2014 8:01:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: GeronL

Bingo!


17 posted on 06/05/2014 8:01:44 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparisons)
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To: Kenny Bunk
The 17th shoulda been repealed when they repealed the 19th.

I think you meant the 18th Amendment (Prohibition), which was repealed by the 21st Amendment.

As for the Rhode Island House's vote, it's meaningless symbolism. As for the 17th Amendment, check my user name.

18 posted on 06/05/2014 8:03:13 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The 17th and the 16th need to be repealed.

Federal taxes should be allocated on a per representative and per senator basis. The tax bill then handed to the state and each state then decided how to fund that tax liability. I call it “representative apportionment”.


19 posted on 06/05/2014 8:07:13 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

After the 17th is recognized as failed idea.


20 posted on 06/05/2014 8:09:45 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

That’s one amendment I’d like to take back.


21 posted on 06/05/2014 8:22:09 PM PDT by AU72
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To: Repeal 16-17
Sorry.

Freudian Slip. Fully support repeal the 16th, 17th, 18th, AND 19th.

And I ain't as keen on the 15th as I used to be neither.

22 posted on 06/05/2014 8:25:37 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( A disbarred gay Muslim lawyer from Kenya as POTUS? Sure! What could go wrong?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; ..


Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!

23 posted on 06/05/2014 8:36:25 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: sten
how are senators different from house members?

Senators are mostly elected by the RAT cities....Hence, RINO Senators.

24 posted on 06/05/2014 8:48:03 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

It was a subtle change but in reality a very big one.

The Senator’s powerbase is now Washington DC. That’s where they live and party. They only really come home to campaign.


25 posted on 06/05/2014 8:59:33 PM PDT by crusher2013
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To: ClearCase_guy

The several sovereign states created the confederated union to serve certain specified functions or purposes as set forth in a written constitution. Said states, as political entities in and of themselves, provided for their representation as sovereign entities in the federal government. The conceptual framework of federalism was fatally diluted by the 17th amendment. Now senators have to spend their time soliciting election funds.


26 posted on 06/05/2014 9:05:56 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ugh.

But at least this won’t actually make repealing it any harder.

Now the Senators bribe the people to vote for them, and extort contributions from “special interests” by threatening them with crippling legislation.


27 posted on 06/05/2014 10:13:51 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Kenny Bunk

They haven’t repealed the 19th, but they should. If women couldn’t vote, there wouldn’t have been a single Democrat president in the past century.

I know a lot of women who would gladly give up voting, if it meant that all women could be prevented from voting.


28 posted on 06/05/2014 10:15:16 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: acapesket

The dopes do not own Providence, the Mafia owns Providence.


29 posted on 06/05/2014 10:28:02 PM PDT by gusty (9)
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To: Arthur McGowan

I would GLADLY give up the right to vote, if it meant all women could NOT vote!!! I live in CA. which is probably not a great place to judge the
female voters, but I will tell you I am DISGUSTED with the utter stupidity
of the female voters I work with!!!!!!!


30 posted on 06/05/2014 10:36:25 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Resolute Conservative; VerySadAmerican; Nuc 1.1; MamaTexan; Political Junkie Too; jeffc; 1010RD; ...
17th Amendment Ping!
31 posted on 06/06/2014 1:34:29 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: gusty

“The dopes do not own Providence, the Mafia owns Providence.”

No the illegal aliens own Providence now. I lived in Providence when Petreaca ran the Mafia. It was a much better place to live then than it is now.


32 posted on 06/06/2014 2:43:51 AM PDT by heylady
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"That system was widely criticized for breeding corruption as senate aspirants bribed lawmakers to secure the votes needed to win senate seats."

Well, I'm glad we fixed corruption in the US Senate so that a dirty, slimy, dingy politician like Harry Reid would never get elected to the Senate.

Whoops, the corrupt Reid has been not only elected to the Senate, he was voted by his peers to be their Leader. Yup, glad that's fixed.

33 posted on 06/06/2014 4:47:47 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: gusty

truedat.


34 posted on 06/06/2014 6:49:19 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: Kit cat

The muslims would love to take away the women’s vote, so be careful what your wish for.


35 posted on 06/06/2014 7:12:17 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Of COURSE bacon is good for you!!!)
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To: Kit cat

Besides, Kalifornia is lousy with Democrat voters, so it’s not just the women who are dooming you.


36 posted on 06/06/2014 7:13:14 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Of COURSE bacon is good for you!!!)
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