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California Lawmakers Push Ammunition Registration, 'Ammunition Purchaser Permit'
breitbart ^ | 6/15/14 | a hawkins

Posted on 06/16/2014 5:15:36 AM PDT by bestintxas

California lawmakers are considering the creation of an ammunition registry that will require ammunition purchasers to go through a background check--including fingerprinting--and obtain an "ammunition purchaser permit" before getting ammo.

The registry is contained in Senate Bill 53, which passed in the California Assembly Public Safety Committee 5-2 on June 12.

According to the NRA-ILA: "If passed and enacted into law, SB 53 would require the collection and reporting of personal consumer information and thumbprinting for all ammunition purchases throughout the state. It would also ban online and mail-order sales of all ammunition, including hunting and collectible ammunition."

Additionally, SB 53 would require ammunition purchasers to "register with the Department of Justice" and "obtain a costly ammunition purchaser permit that must be renewed every two years."

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; california; secondamendment
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2nd Amendment says clearly that people have the right to bear arms without restriction.

Can we find someone in the law that permits the govt to do what CA is doing?

1 posted on 06/16/2014 5:15:36 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

Impeach California


2 posted on 06/16/2014 5:17:42 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: bestintxas

CA pols don’t know and don’t care the definition of infringement.


3 posted on 06/16/2014 5:18:19 AM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: bestintxas

It’ll pass. Its just a matter of time.


4 posted on 06/16/2014 5:18:36 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: bestintxas

Registration = confiscation.


5 posted on 06/16/2014 5:24:05 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: bestintxas

Drive to AZ or NV. He’ll, I might set up an ammo and hot dog stand at the border.


6 posted on 06/16/2014 5:29:29 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!! (Keeper of the Sick Individuals pinglist))
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To: bestintxas

Ammunition falls under the general category of ‘Arms’.

Lawsuit challenge should be automatic.


7 posted on 06/16/2014 5:39:04 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: lowbridge
It’ll pass. Its just a matter of time.

Well, crap.
Guess I'd better hit Academy on the way home and get ahead of the rush.

As CA goes, so goes the nation...

8 posted on 06/16/2014 5:41:03 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: bestintxas

The Nazis are on a roll in Barry’s Amerika.


9 posted on 06/16/2014 5:42:51 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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Already the law in CT.

An ammunition certificate can ONLY be obtained at one building in the entire state, and for a cost. The law makers knew the “wrong colored people” most likely were poor enough to not have the money nor the transportation to get this certificate.

Their daughter cotillion is now safer from “those people”, so they think.


10 posted on 06/16/2014 5:42:55 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: mylife; MaxMax; 50cal Smokepole; Randy Larsen; lolhelp; waterhill; Clint N. Suhks; Envisioning; ...

Gun Talk List Ping...


11 posted on 06/16/2014 5:49:48 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: bestintxas

Jerry Brown vetoed a similar bill last year. Of course, he signed several other gun control bills at the same time, but at least he vetoed the ammo ban bill.

This will sail through the legislature once again - can only hope for another veto.


12 posted on 06/16/2014 6:07:25 AM PDT by barefoot_hiker
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To: bestintxas

The state will open another black market they have a RED STAR on the flag for a reason.


13 posted on 06/16/2014 6:11:43 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: bestintxas

Lots of ammo can only be purchased online. Good luck finding ammo for older rifles in CA.


14 posted on 06/16/2014 6:13:43 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: bestintxas

In 1982, voters in Cali rejected Prop 15 to ban the sale of handguns in that state.

It seems to me that this should mean that magazines and ammo are also safe from legislation, but then, since that day the politicians have been trying to get around the will of the voters by imposing small bits of legislation to chip away at gun ownership.


15 posted on 06/16/2014 6:14:52 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: bestintxas

They don’t need no stinking law! They are the law and don’t you forget it, peasant!


16 posted on 06/16/2014 6:18:29 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: bestintxas

This country has gone loony.
Whats next?
Ban rocks?
Finger print and register people for knives?

Pure insanity and fruitless.


17 posted on 06/16/2014 6:21:26 AM PDT by mylife
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To: USCG SimTech

Connecticut is a small state and one can easily drive across the border to obtain ammunition, not that I am advocating it.


18 posted on 06/16/2014 6:23:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: bestintxas

Jeez, you know that “Collectible Ammunition” is the worst kind ;)


19 posted on 06/16/2014 6:23:15 AM PDT by mylife
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To: DCBryan1
set up an ammo and hot dog stand at the border.

Actually, there's already similar near CA/NV involving fireworks this time of year. Being as almost all of Kalifornia outlaws 'em.

Riverside and San Bernardino county "undercovers" have been known to lurk and do stops once back in CA.

20 posted on 06/16/2014 6:23:59 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It ain't a "hashtag"....it's a damn pound sign. ###)
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To: bestintxas

“obtain a costly ammunition purchaser permit that must be renewed every two years.”

But the same aholes howl that voter ID is a financial burden.


21 posted on 06/16/2014 6:24:47 AM PDT by mylife
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To: bestintxas

Bump.

California entered the list of states where I could not survive years ago. It’s a shame, other than their politics, a lovely state.


22 posted on 06/16/2014 6:37:25 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: carriage_hill
Does that include rocket launchers?

Just askin'

Regards,
Shrimp Boy

23 posted on 06/16/2014 6:38:31 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: carriage_hill

Being an avid reloader, I wonder how this would apply to individual components like brass and primers and powder.

I have 1000s of rounds of various caliber and its nobody’s business how much I have. Its especially none of the governments business how much I have.

(...and add me to the Gun Talk Ping List ifn you don’t mind...)


24 posted on 06/16/2014 6:40:15 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

This is the backdoor to bypass fed registration.
Ammo w/o a gun is pointless.
If they can register all ammo, they KNOW who has the guns.


25 posted on 06/16/2014 6:42:17 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: envisio

I’ve been reloading since the 80’s. Even I don’t know exactly what I have.


26 posted on 06/16/2014 6:48:55 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: bestintxas

I wouldn’t want to live or even visit Calif. run by a bunch of crazies.


27 posted on 06/16/2014 7:08:42 AM PDT by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: bestintxas

Hmmm... governmental prohibition of an easily concealed, easily manufactured, easily smuggled, high-demand consumable.

That worked so well with alcohol and drugs. Why not try it with ammo?


28 posted on 06/16/2014 7:13:08 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: bestintxas

ALL law enforcement officers would have to comply, also.


29 posted on 06/16/2014 7:15:40 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: DCBryan1
Drive to AZ or NV. He’ll, I might set up an ammo and hot dog stand at the border.

Pennsylvania has alcohol sales being a state operation. People tend to buy their wine and whiskey across the border. PA has people recording license plates of people who parked at NJ and Delaware liquor stores just across the river from Philadelphia, and would stop them at the toll booth, inspect their cars, and fine them.

I would imagine California would be even more draconian with respect to out-of-state ammo purchases.

You would need to park a couple of blocks away and pay cash.

30 posted on 06/16/2014 7:27:20 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: bestintxas; All

The 2nd paragraph of the Declaration of Independence....

We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.....Part of and most important part of the declaration of independence..Most important part of the US Constitution


31 posted on 06/16/2014 7:29:37 AM PDT by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25 Pacem Bello Pastoribus Canes [shepard of peace,dogs of war])
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To: mylife
Jeez, you know that “Collectible Ammunition” is the worst kind ;)

At this point 22's are becoming collectible.

32 posted on 06/16/2014 7:30:07 AM PDT by super7man
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To: PapaBear3625

It would be real difficult in the I15 corridor to Vegas...too much space between the state line and the gun stores in Las Vegas. Besides, the gun shops in LV don’t care where you’re from, as long as you’re of legal age.

The CA state FASCISTS would have to get consent to search just about every vehicle crossing back in from NV if the were on the hunt for ammunition...what would be the probable cause for thousands of vehicles daily?

Reno on the other hand, may be more of a possibility, but I’m not too familiar with the lay of the land up there.

The issue here is the violation of privacy, the registration...I’d drive 500 miles to purchase ammunition and avoid having my name in some FASCIST database...that’s where the market is.

LV and points East of CA are going to see a noticeable uptick in ammunition sales, while CA will see a noticeable downturn.


33 posted on 06/16/2014 7:58:56 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

Take 395 south out of Reno and drive the “free” part of CA, where Inyo, Mono, and like-minded counties don’t give a darn about the stupid gun laws. Be careful though, CHiPs are about every 10-20 miles from the boarder to Lee Vining/Mammoth.


34 posted on 06/16/2014 8:08:36 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!! (Keeper of the Sick Individuals pinglist))
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To: DCBryan1

Thanks for the tip, I drive the 395 on occassion as I do quite a bit of hiking on the Eastern side of the Sierras.


35 posted on 06/16/2014 8:13:45 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: bestintxas

Californians can just buy their ammunition in Nevada and Arizona.

Hate to say, but they need to avoid the Cabela’s outside Reno because the California Highway Patrol is already known to cruise the parking lot and take pictures of cars with California license plates.


36 posted on 06/16/2014 8:55:35 AM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: mylife
Finger print and register people for knives?

Don't snark too hard. The British are talking about banning knives since two Muslims used kitchen knives to murder a soldier on a public street.

37 posted on 06/16/2014 8:57:59 AM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: SZonian

Heh....we go to June Lake Loop every year to fish for golden trout. I carry a gun with me all the time due to very naughty black bears near campsites. They are NOT afraid of people.


38 posted on 06/16/2014 9:05:20 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!! (Keeper of the Sick Individuals pinglist))
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Connecticut is a small state and one can easily drive across the border to obtain ammunition, not that I am advocating it. I ran out of room to safely store any more ammo just like about everyone else I know. The ammo shortage will be coming to a slow end because we all ran out of stowage and just can't buy any more. PA is my favorite state for ammo.
39 posted on 06/16/2014 9:06:32 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: MeganC
Hate to say, but they need to avoid the Cabela’s outside Reno because the California Highway Patrol is already known to cruise the parking lot and take pictures of cars with California license plates.

Step 1: Cover CA license plate or remove it. Better yet, get a rental car and insist on out of state plates.(I mean if your are going to get pulled over in NV, it is at least ONLY a minor moving violation.

Step 2: Buy copious amounts of ammo.

Step 3: Know your rights and put everything in the trunk since it is not subject to a Terry search. DO NOT CONSENT to a search without a warrant describing the location to be searched (trunk) and items to be thought illegal (ammo).

Step 4: Keep your mouth shut.

40 posted on 06/16/2014 9:08:11 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!! (Keeper of the Sick Individuals pinglist))
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To: DCBryan1

Step 5: Pay cash.


41 posted on 06/16/2014 9:10:47 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!! (Keeper of the Sick Individuals pinglist))
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To: super7man

A bay area store near me has a couple pallets of it, but they want $89/brick or $880/5000...


42 posted on 06/16/2014 9:26:27 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: DCBryan1

dc-ammo.

43 posted on 06/16/2014 10:23:41 AM PDT by Foolsgold (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Foolsgold; DCBryan1
Whoa, DC, nice little place you got there! Add a liquor license and they'll be lining up four deep.

I could always use a new source for ammo. Put me down for a couple of tons...

44 posted on 06/16/2014 10:27:13 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: envisio

They’ll figure a “way” to restrict production and/or distribution of the components, as long as we still have 2A. So far, the wacko, leftist anti-2A crowd can’t take away our Right To Keep and Bear, but they are going after the hardware and ammo, as a ‘workaround’. The leftist activist courts have/ will probably uphold those actions by blue states’ legislatures/governors.


45 posted on 06/16/2014 11:03:59 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Foolsgold

LOL! EPIC WIN!


46 posted on 06/16/2014 11:06:25 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!! (Keeper of the Sick Individuals pinglist))
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To: Billthedrill

Liquor is sold out of the station wagon, as I don’t pay the ATeeFers “revenuers” tax on moonshine ;)


47 posted on 06/16/2014 11:07:36 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!! (Keeper of the Sick Individuals pinglist))
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To: smokingfrog

Just the refills/reloads; heh.

At first, I couldn’t tell if he was MS-13 or the SF-Chow Boy. “Shrimp Boy” gave me a clue.

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Raymond-Shrimp-Boy-Chow-denied-bail-by-S-F-5545249.php


48 posted on 06/16/2014 11:11:53 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: MeganC

“...California Highway Patrol is already known to cruise the parking lot and...”

Why would they do that?

Steve


49 posted on 06/16/2014 12:27:01 PM PDT by ha maker (Sanity for lurkers)
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To: Axenolith

Ouch, 17 cents a round is too rich for me.


50 posted on 06/16/2014 12:42:31 PM PDT by super7man
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