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IRS CANCELLED Contract with Email-Storage Firm Weeks After Lernerís Computer Crash
daily caller ^ | 6/22 | howley

Posted on 06/22/2014 7:39:52 AM PDT by RummyChick

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) cancelled its longtime relationship with an email-storage contractor just weeks after ex-IRS official Lois Lerner’s computer crashed and shortly before other IRS officials’ computers allegedly crashed.

The IRS signed a contract with Sonasoft, an email-archiving company based in San Jose, California, each year from 2005 to 2010. The company, which partners with Microsoft and counts The New York Times among its clients, claims in its company slogans that it provides “Email Archiving Done Right” and “Point-Click Recovery.” Sonasoft in 2009 tweeted, “If the IRS uses Sonasoft products to backup their servers why wouldn’t you choose them to protect your severs?

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To: publius911

If the Republicans let him get away with it, which I expect they will, then yes.


151 posted on 06/22/2014 7:10:40 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: RummyChick

Veeeeeery interesting...


152 posted on 06/22/2014 7:34:38 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SgtHooper
It is because close to half of the voters in this country do NOT pay taxes, so why should they care.

Exactly.
For them, it's not just ensuring the survival of the Incompetent Great Impersonator--- it is a final desperate fight for their own survival.

Without the myriad handouts from "producers," as national pets, their survival is definitely at great risk.

153 posted on 06/22/2014 7:37:18 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: tired&retired
You DO realize that no one can read that microscopic text?
How about a link instead?
154 posted on 06/22/2014 7:47:00 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: ducttape45
If I send an email it first goes to my ISP (server) who keeps a copy and sends it on to another ISP (server) who then also keeps a copy and it is delivered. There should be copies on two separate servers and are not each server not backed up on a regular basis?

CC

155 posted on 06/22/2014 8:04:16 PM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: tired&retired
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156 posted on 06/22/2014 8:05:19 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
How could a modern company depend on a hard drive for email backup? Have they never heard of servers?

Our ignorance of things technical, computer-wise, is part of the problem.

"Servers" are just sets of hard drives, physically and electronically connected and "stacked" as an array.

The only exception are tape backups, still a most efficient and reliable form of backups, but nevertheless also vulnerable to funny business by dedicated criminals.

157 posted on 06/22/2014 8:11:32 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: McBuff
This smarmy, arrogant criminal clown will forever live historically, as the Omugabe regime's version of Baghdad Bob.

Wish I knew how to do photoshop, to make that image complete by putting prison bars in the foreground.
I can't think of an appropriate sentence for his actions/attitude, short of hanging.

158 posted on 06/22/2014 8:15:45 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: publius911

159 posted on 06/22/2014 8:38:11 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: RummyChick

Congress should impeach Obama for this right now.


160 posted on 06/22/2014 8:59:29 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: publius911

Yes, but a secure server means that the server has a mirrored hard drive AND a tape backup, so no single hardware failure or facility being destroyed (it happens) will result in the loss of critical data. Isn’t that the way data is protected?


161 posted on 06/22/2014 9:22:38 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: publius911

In reply to your question, data can be protected so that it is never lost from anything short of EMP, If it is wanted to be preserved.


162 posted on 06/22/2014 9:33:39 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: RummyChick

Maybe a “whistleblower” will emerge. But only after seeking protective asylum in Hong Kong or Moscow. I wonder if Ed Snowden could find the truth.


163 posted on 06/22/2014 10:16:27 PM PDT by Rainier1789 (My Constitution has a 2nd and 10th Amendment)
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To: Right Brother

Right now—most of them are “Brain dead” consumed with video games, zombies, green shit, tolerance shit....and living on the government dime. So in THEIR eyes—why should THEY care?

At least—until the serious clamp-downs begin.


164 posted on 06/22/2014 11:17:25 PM PDT by Rca2000
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To: Nuc 1.1

I say a flat tax on income. percentage.

same whether you make $100,000 or $10,000.

Make the poor have a vested interest in taxes.

Then we’ll see some change.


165 posted on 06/23/2014 2:25:00 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Gaffer

It’s because we feel we are “doing” something by venting on the internet and are perpetually waiting for the “other” guy to make the first move.


166 posted on 06/23/2014 2:44:44 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: kelly4c

Actually, I think the other poster here is correct who said the reason is the over 50% of us don’t pay any net Federal Taxes is the major reason.


167 posted on 06/23/2014 2:53:26 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kackikat

What you are still FAILING to understand is that the IRS was not, ever, paying Sonasoft to back up anything.

There was a contract for one year for Sonasoft to provide archiving SOFTWARE only, to one department at the IRS, and that was not the department Loise Lerner worked in.

So, that contract was for software only, NOT for Sonasoft to back up anything..

Therefore, you are wrong, and you continue to not understand that you are wrong. That is pathetic.


168 posted on 06/23/2014 2:54:40 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: Gaffer

But this is about more than taxes. And even so, what about the 45% (or whatever the number might be) who do pay taxes? Almost half the population would still be millions of people.


169 posted on 06/23/2014 3:15:28 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: Captain Compassion
Correct. And add this to the equation. When you send an email (if you use a POP3 system) it goes to the SMTP server. When you receive email it comes from the POP3/Mail server. In the case of IRS emails, it probably goes to the Microsoft Exchange Server (if that's the type of software they use). Depending on where the emails were going, there could conceivably be 3 copies of her emails out there.

Anyone?

170 posted on 06/23/2014 3:58:02 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: savedbygrace
What you are still FAILING to understand is that the IRS was not, ever, paying Sonasoft to back up anything.

I am having some doubts in my own mind. Something does not seem right about the company. However, They were active for more than one year.

This site purports to show eight separate contracts in the 2006 - 2010 time frame.

One thing that seems fishy is the relatively low dollar amount.

171 posted on 06/23/2014 4:08:29 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: savedbygrace

If so, still it is worthy of checking into further. The timing is suspicious and surely there must be some some loose John Dean screws in there somewhere. Turn the place upside down and find them.


172 posted on 06/23/2014 4:32:36 AM PDT by Rock N Jones
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To: Kackikat

Congress should DEMAND that the IRS produce all those emails within 72 hours.

If they don’t, start at the top and perp walk all those involved in the coverup.

They are breaking a big law by not having the records.

If the truly disappeared, they should still be prosecuted because it was LAW that they have them.

They are somewhere, Snowden should release them.


173 posted on 06/23/2014 5:38:39 AM PDT by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: RummyChick
Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!
174 posted on 06/23/2014 5:47:17 AM PDT by McGruff (What if we bombed our own citizens?)
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To: goodnesswins

“The COVER UP IS ALWAYS worse than the crime”

In this case, IMHO, they are equally bad.


175 posted on 06/23/2014 5:48:09 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: RummyChick
The fact of the Watergate cover-up is not nearly as interesting as the step into making the cover-up. And when you understand the step, you understand that Richard Nixon lied. That he was a criminal. - Bob Woodward

Where are you today Bob?

176 posted on 06/23/2014 5:50:18 AM PDT by McGruff (What if we bombed our own citizens?)
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To: Gaffer

“Why this country is not standing outside every IRS building in this country with pitchforks and flaming torches is beside me.”

Nearly 50% of the people in this country are receiving a check from the federal government. As long as the IRS is collecting money from the other 50% they are content. As to the 50% who are still productive, most are busy just trying to survive.

This goes to show the concept of freedom our founders tried to protect is gone. Half of the country is enslaved, dependent on government for food, clothing, and shelter. The other 50% is having nearly half of the earnings produced from their labor taxed away to support the other 50%. There are very few citizens free from the chains of government today.


177 posted on 06/23/2014 7:01:11 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: goodnesswins

Could see the hitmen coming out indeed... rapists not only rape, they kill their victim witness.


178 posted on 06/23/2014 7:14:41 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Nuc 1.1
You and I know the above is pie in the sky so the easiest way to essentially get rid of the IRS is to go to a flat income tax of say 10%. Then eliminate the IRS. They would no longer be needed as currently constituted.

Yup. The Lord only asks for 10%. How can the government legitimately demand more.

However, you are mistaken in saying that having a flat tax would eliminate the need for the IRS. You are apparently unaware of how much of the current tax core relates to nothing more than determining exactly what constitutes 'income'. You'd still need the unconstitutional army of vampires sucking the life-blood out of the country even with a 'flat' tax. You'd also still have the Constitution-busting reporting requirements as well.

What is needed is a flat 10% sales tax. You eliminate all IRS forms for individuals. The vast majority of infrastructure for collecting a sales tax is already in place. Make the tax consumptive, and remove the perverse disincentives for growth and success and you'd see a new golden age in this country.

Yeah, I'm sure the government would come up with a way to make the tax as inefficient and as stifling as possible (see VAT), but it would still be better than what we have.

179 posted on 06/23/2014 8:23:26 AM PDT by zeugma (It is time for us to start playing cowboys and muslims for real now.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If it must be income tax, then the methodology you outlined is the way to go.


180 posted on 06/23/2014 9:00:26 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

Let’s connect the dots.

Who fired the backup company? What orders did they give? What happened to their data. You mean once you cancel they don’t save anything for you?

GIve the people around Lois Lerner total immunity. Start asking questions of the IT boys and girls.

I mean, do these people actually think we’re that stupid?

WORST THING YET!!!!? BERSTEIN AND WOODWARD DONT THINK THE IRS SCANDAL REMOTELY COMPARES TO WATERGATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


181 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:52 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: zeugma

Not unaware. While I want a national retail sale’s tax and have commented about same before, if Americans insist upon an income tax then a 10% flat tax, no deductions, no exemptions. If you make money on it that is income. No need for the IRS and the obscene tax code designed to protect the elites and punish those that desire to improve their lives. We are on the same page.


182 posted on 06/23/2014 9:09:55 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: nikos1121

No not stupid, ignorant. They believe the propaganda media will provide cover for them. And so far they are correct. Beyond it all, it seems there are plenty of law broken here. Plea bargains often uncover vital information.


183 posted on 06/23/2014 9:17:49 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: RummyChick

184 posted on 06/23/2014 10:16:17 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala
Boehner has been shamed into making this tweet:

Speaker John Boehner ‏@SpeakerBoehner 12m RT @hotairblog: #IRS canceled e-mail back-up service – weeks after Lerner hard drive crash http://hotair.com/?p=313159
185 posted on 06/23/2014 10:21:00 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Someone(s) can be a real hero and also a villain too depending on the sides affected if they can come up with those e-mails supposedly lost forever.


186 posted on 06/23/2014 11:01:40 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Syncro

Fox is going to give some names being watched by NSA per Snowden realeased documents...today.


187 posted on 06/23/2014 11:58:09 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: savedbygrace

And you call yourself ‘savedbygrace’...that’s really what’s pathetic.


188 posted on 06/23/2014 11:59:03 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat

Why bother.

The answer is:
Every person on the planet

BUT, sorry, not the IRS employees who hard drives crashed.


189 posted on 06/23/2014 12:30:50 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: publius911

Thanks for the enlargement. I just used control+ to enlarge it on my screen. I didn’t want to enlarge it too much as a post, but thought it was an important issue to consider.

I should have logged into my legal research account(I use our university law school resources) and printed it out.


190 posted on 06/23/2014 12:48:33 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Gaffer
Why this country is not standing outside every IRS building in this country with pitchforks and flaming torches is beside me.

Actually we should padlock the doors and gates on the son-of-a bitches and dare them to try and come out!

Let the treasonous bastards starve to death for all I care.

191 posted on 06/23/2014 1:01:39 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Rock N Jones

If an investigative reporter would go get the correct information about all of this, that would be great. But so far, a lot of people have been jumping to incorrect conclusions.

That’s why I’m standing up saying, wait, what you’re saying is not correct.


192 posted on 06/23/2014 2:10:39 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: RummyChick

Probably right.


193 posted on 06/23/2014 2:48:28 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Syncro

I agree with you.


194 posted on 06/23/2014 2:49:09 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: savedbygrace

this is one of the problems with the internet, it stores tons of information, but you cant ask it questions. what is needed is old fashioned gumshoe walking and talking investigations not jumping to conclusions based on little information. Asking questions in person also gives one a chance to evaluate the demeanor and credibility of those they question.

I suggest Issa subpoena Lerners assistant and ask her about lerners emails etc..Lerner herself in an email said her assistant got to her emails before her,,also the tech guy to see what he did to try and recover data-interesting was that he offered to try and recover it-she didn’t ask him-also when he put in new drive did he install it with all her data that was on their back ups? if not why not?


195 posted on 06/23/2014 2:52:20 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: savedbygrace
There was a contract for one year for Sonasoft to provide archiving SOFTWARE only, to one department at the IRS, and that was not the department Loise Lerner worked in.

No. There were eight contracts with treasury for multiple years.

http://government-contractors.findthebest.com/l/65751/Sonasoft-Corporation-in-San-Jose-CA

196 posted on 06/23/2014 3:32:49 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

I see 4 for the IRS. The 1st one was for equipment, which were probably the hard drive arrays from Rorke. The other three appear to be annual software agreements for three separate years. According to the details of the contracts I have seen, this was for the counsel’s office, not the IRS in general.

Based on the costs, I would guess this would cover 15-30 computers. But that is a guess, and with my background, I call it an educated guess. But it’s still a guess.


197 posted on 06/23/2014 3:43:44 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: Captain Compassion

Yes, and didn’t Obama and/or Congress pass a law that all internet ISPs had to keep a record of all activity for two or more years for legal reasons around 2009?


198 posted on 06/23/2014 4:27:53 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: null and void

Smoking gun, indeed.


199 posted on 06/23/2014 5:54:56 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Nuc 1.1

I think that leaves wiggle room for corruption to begin again. Feds ability to raise any funds must be stopped completely. Make them our servants again.


200 posted on 06/23/2014 6:35:31 PM PDT by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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