Posted on 06/22/2014 10:48:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
ormer Vice President Dick Cheney fired back Sunday after Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) criticized his position on Iraq. In an appearance on ABC's "This Week," Cheney argued Paul, who is widely seen as a potential presidential candidate in 2016, is an "isolationist" who doesn't understand the "absolutely essential" need for America to be involved in the Middle East.
"Now, Rand Paul and — by my standards, as I look at his — his philosophy, is basically an isolationist. That didn't work in the 1930s, it sure as heck won't work in the aftermath of 9/11, when 19 guys armed with airline tickets and box cutters came all the way from Afghanistan and killed 3,000 of our citizens," Cheney said, according to a rush transcript of the show.
Paul addressed Cheney's position on Iraq in an interview with NBC that aired on "Meet The Press" Sunday. In that interview, Paul critiqued a Wall Street Journal op-ed written by Cheney and his daughter, Liz, that was critical of President Barack Obama's foreign policy and handling of the crisis in Iraq. The Cheneys said Obama's "rhetoric" about ending the Iraq War had "come crashing into reality" after troop withdrawals were followed by jihadists from the group Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) taking territory in the country. Paul argued Cheney and others who supported the Iraq War were primarily to blame for many of the current issues in the Middle East.
"What’s going on now — I don’t blame on President Obama. Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution. But I do blame the Iraq War on the chaos that is in the Middle East," Paul said. "I also blame those who are for the Iraq War for emboldening Iran.
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“It was already negotiated and signed before he took office.”
It was being “renegotiated” to leave a sustaining force for the transition. There was no serious effort to complete this, however.
>> That tired leftist refrain?
The Left was “Post 9-11” on Sep 12, 2001.
What in heaven's name are you talking about? THE STATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED BEFORE OBAMA WAS IN OFFICE.
I don't know why you call me "RonPaulian" -- I couldn't even tell you three things the guy stands for.
And don't ever call me an "idiot." @SSHOLE.
“It’s not analysis, merely the acknowledgement of historical facts.”
Stating facts without their proper context and analysis is a form of propaganda. In this case, the liberal propaganda line.
“It was being “renegotiated” to leave a sustaining force for the transition. There was no serious effort to complete this, however.”
One of the biggest reasons, as I recall, was because Iraq would not agree to immune our troops from prosecution and the fact that they wanted us out.
Wait, first you accuse me of bad analysis and now I’m guilty of propaganda for just stating facts and not analysis?
You simply can't have U.S. military forces subject to foreign legal systems like that -- especially in a place like the Middle East where most governments are run by baboons.
RonPaulian idiot, there was an effort to renegotiate the Status of Forces Agreement to keep a small sustaining force for the transition. Though, Obama didn’t seriously negotiate so he could keep his liberal promise to get all the troops out.
LOL. Don’t let the facts get in the way of good old-fashioned political rants, dude.
Can’t argue with that.
Your liberal refrain was explained clearly above by another poster.
You’re a RonPaulian idiot and obtuse as to your faulty analysis and propaganda.
I’m sure everyone else knows what “agreement” means.
There isn't a single person in the U.S. military who ever would have allowed U.S. troops to remain in Iraq under the conditions that the Iraqi government was demanding. And the operative term you used was "renegotiate," wasn't it?
RonPaulian idiot....you’re ignoring the ruse of an attempt by Obama to renegotiate the Status of Forces Agreement. He had no intention to get an agreement, so he could withdraw all troops.
President George W. Bush and Vice-President Cheney are blameless when it comes to 9/11. The responsibility rests with the muzzie enablers of the leftist KKKlintoon gang:
The 9/11 commission identified several Clinton failures, including four missed chances to kill Osama bin Laden, and a failure to adopt “a more aggressive counterterrorism posture” after Al Qaeda’s initial attacks.
The Clinton administration sent a signal to Al Qaeda that terrorism would succeed in pushing the United States out of the Middle East when, in response to the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the U.S. pulled back its diplomatic presence in the region. Clinton answered with an ineffectual cruise missile attack on Afghanistan and Sudan; Al Qaeda followed up with its deadly attack on the U.S.S. Cole in October 2000.
Those are the undeniable facts reported in 9/11: A Clinton Legacy.
“You’re a RonPaulian”
Nope.
“idiot”
Quite possibly.
“and obtuse as to your faulty analysis and propaganda”
Alrighty.
"Renegotiating" agreements like that are a waste of time. I used to be involved in that sort of thing, and what I've learned over time is that if you have to renegotiate them, then you're dealing with someone who doesn't have the legal authority or the basic competence to negotiate with you. In my line of business we'd call those parties we dealt with like that "Indian tribes," "aboriginal bands" and "tribal chiefs."
It sounds to me like Iraq is no different than the Powder River Basin of Wyoming in that regard.
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Thanks SeekAndFind.
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