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IRS Email Jeopardy: The agency had a legal obligation to retain the records it lost
The Wall Street Journal ^ | June 24, 2014 | Wall Street Journal Editorial Page

Posted on 06/24/2014 6:36:48 PM PDT by JOHN ADAMS

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1 posted on 06/24/2014 6:36:49 PM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
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To: JOHN ADAMS

Kelly file just mentioned they were able to recreate the IRS emails to Lerner. It’s her emails to WH and DOJ that are missing. We need confirmation of this And distribution if true.


2 posted on 06/24/2014 6:41:14 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: JOHN ADAMS

They would rather some bureaucrat fall on his/her sward over the minor problem of failing their legal obligation to backup the suspect emails then have the emails exposed.


3 posted on 06/24/2014 6:43:42 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: JOHN ADAMS

There is no evidence, that the L. Lerner e-mail messages are lost.


4 posted on 06/24/2014 6:44:49 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: JOHN ADAMS

The libs keep gasping, “But Bush ‘lost’ 5 million emails!” Not that 2 wrongs make a right, but this deflection needs to be met head on. How?


5 posted on 06/24/2014 6:45:23 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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hate the WSJ firewall.

I miss Taranto's Best of the Web

6 posted on 06/24/2014 6:46:33 PM PDT by mcenedo (lying liberal media - our most dangerous and powerful enemy)
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To: JOHN ADAMS

Obama has a legal obligation to uphold the Constitution.

Doesn’t seem to matter, huh?


7 posted on 06/24/2014 6:47:34 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: hoosiermama

They probably don’t have the e-mails sent outside the IRS, such as ones sent to private e-mail accounts.


8 posted on 06/24/2014 6:50:23 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

At today’s hearing it was dropped by Issa that a universal subpoena was sent to the WH. Iirc that includes all WH emails


9 posted on 06/24/2014 6:54:21 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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I was referring to the recovery process. Inter office e-mails can theoretically be obtained from the sender and any recipient...with a global search within the office. Any e-mails sent outside to private e-mail addresses cannot be obtained in the same manner.


10 posted on 06/24/2014 6:57:31 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

Thanks for clarification


11 posted on 06/24/2014 7:00:03 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: lepton

Makes no sense whatsoever, as they are not in control of emails sent out; only those coming in.


12 posted on 06/24/2014 7:01:07 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: JOHN ADAMS

Much like a murder weapon being run over by a blow torch.


13 posted on 06/24/2014 7:03:59 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: FredZarguna

What? E-mail has both an inbox and a Sent folder. Searches can be done on each.


14 posted on 06/24/2014 7:05:00 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

This has less to do with who is in power than the question of the abuse of power itself. No administration of any party should be allowed to use the IRS or any agency to intimidate, silence and punish their political critics and adversaries. Our democratic ways, and our first amendment rights are literally at stake over this.


15 posted on 06/24/2014 7:08:56 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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doa...

Every IT person in the country has been saying this since the bogus story came out. I'm glad someone is making an issue of it, but it needs to get much louder. Lots of people need to lose their jobs and/or be prosecuted for this. Unfortunately, it's going to be some lowly IT guys that end up the scapegoat for this treachery and deceit

16 posted on 06/24/2014 7:19:20 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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hate the WSJ firewall.

Why do you hate the WSJ firewall?

17 posted on 06/24/2014 7:21:04 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: FredZarguna

it has to do with how they configure the archives. “Sent Items” and “Deleted Items” are typically ignored where space becomes an issue. However, this does not relieve them (government) of their obligation and mandates that private businesses are not bound to. Those (sent items) should have been archived just like all other mail. The excuses are ludicrous and everyone knows it. When people started squawking about the archive mandate, they changed up the story... nothing unexpected. We know they are going to lie about it because they know there isn’t anyone with spine enough to call them to the mat and hold them accountable. It’s nothing short of infuriating


18 posted on 06/24/2014 7:24:58 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: lepton
They probably don’t have the e-mails sent outside the IRS, such as ones sent to private e-mail accounts.

...Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz needled Koskinen about a short-term data backup that the IRS had in place in 2011 when Lerner's hard drive crashed, but never used.

'It's actually a disaster recovery system,' the IRS commissioner testified, 'and it backs up for six months in case the entire system goes down ... That was the rule in 2011. Policy.'

Chaffetz wanted to know 'why didn't they just go to that six-month tape?'

Koskinen replied that it is a disaster recovery tape that has all of the emails on it, and is a very complicated tape to actually extract emails [from], but I have not seen any emails to explain why they didn't do it. So I It would be difficult, but I don't know why they didn't do it.'...

They had/have them ALL from her work computer, but "it's complicated".

BTW - real IT professionals don't get to use the "it's complicated" excuse.

If you work for IRS IT, it's a different story, apparently. Good thing federal government workers have a 95%+ retention rate, because the private sector doesn't hire "pretend" IT "professionals"...

19 posted on 06/24/2014 7:28:29 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: JOHN ADAMS

What is on a server and what is on her hard drive? Her inbox and sent are on the server. Anything she’s typing or hasn’t sent is on her hard drive. So if her computer is recycled and the hard drive is crushed, then nothing is really lost. Is it? Someone should talk to the contractor people who were maintaining the email server.


20 posted on 06/24/2014 7:40:56 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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