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CNN’s Costello: Does SCOTUS Ruling Allow ‘Religion to Make Decisions Over Science?’
Newsbusters.org ^ | June 30, 2014 | Jackie Seal

Posted on 06/30/2014 9:06:01 AM PDT by PROCON

On Monday, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby and that company's argument for religious freedom. CNN’s Carol Costello wondered if the decision will now allow for “religion to make decisions over science.”

Joined by a panel of several guests to discuss the coming ruling on CNN Newsroom, host Carol Costello was more concerned with the impact the Supreme Court ruling would have on science rather than constitutionality.

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The science is settled; abortion is murder.
1 posted on 06/30/2014 9:06:01 AM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON

Science once called for eugenics. Should we blindly follow science?


2 posted on 06/30/2014 9:07:49 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: PROCON
Somebody please 'splain to me how "science" relates to a company paying or not paying for insurance to cover contraception costs of its employees.

No, on second thought, don't bother.

3 posted on 06/30/2014 9:07:58 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: PROCON

So you have to have a room temperature IQ to host a TV show now?


4 posted on 06/30/2014 9:08:09 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: PROCON

This has nothing to do with science, it has to do with whether the government can compel people to act in a way inconsistent with their religious beliefs in a manner than complies with the freedom of religion. Science has absolutely nothing to do with the question.


5 posted on 06/30/2014 9:09:02 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: PROCON
Costello set up the question by arguing that Hobby Lobby’s fight is against four types of contraception that it believes, “can cause abortion. But science doesn't support that.

Of course science supports that. Where did she get her disinformation?

6 posted on 06/30/2014 9:09:41 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: PROCON
Carol Costello wondered if the decision will now allow for “religion to make decisions over science.

That has pretty much been the case with man caused global warming.

7 posted on 06/30/2014 9:10:10 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: PROCON

What does ‘science’ have to do with this?..................It’s freedom of religion.................


8 posted on 06/30/2014 9:10:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 2,748 threads and 84,975 replies..)
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To: PROCON

Costello needs a slap from Abbott.


9 posted on 06/30/2014 9:11:04 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: pfflier

Good point.


10 posted on 06/30/2014 9:11:26 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So you have to have a room temperature IQ to host a TV show now?

And big boobs...............

11 posted on 06/30/2014 9:11:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 2,748 threads and 84,975 replies..)
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To: PROCON
Hello? Carol? Anyone home?
"Science" has given us the anthropogenic global warming hoax.
12 posted on 06/30/2014 9:12:41 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In Celsius.


13 posted on 06/30/2014 9:12:47 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: PROCON
What "science" is being overruled?

No one denies contraception works.
No one is denying their employees access.
No one is denying the existence of contraception.

"Religion" is not overruling science, a corporation is merely not covering a medical procedure that is politically popular.

14 posted on 06/30/2014 9:12:53 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: PROCON

Just trying to reinforce that religion and science are incompatible. But ... I guess they haven’t looked at an ultrasound lately.


15 posted on 06/30/2014 9:13:04 AM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: PROCON

This needs to our mantra: The company’s insurance covers 16 of the 20 contraceptives required under the HHS mandate. The other 4 are NOT contraception, rather they are considered “abortifacients”.


16 posted on 06/30/2014 9:13:24 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: PROCON
On Monday, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby and that company's argument for religious freedom. CNN’s Carol Costello wondered if the decision will now allow for “religion to make decisions over science.”

She should ask the same question about the religion of global warming.

17 posted on 06/30/2014 9:14:05 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Olog-hai

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18 posted on 06/30/2014 9:14:11 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: PROCON

Not a good framing of the question, but it does raise the point of how broadly applicable this ruling is.

Closely held companies now have the SCOTUS approved ability to operate in accordance with their owners religious beliefs. Does this mean that bakers can no longer be forced to create wedding cakes for gay weddings?


19 posted on 06/30/2014 9:14:18 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: ConservingFreedom

If science doesn’t support it, then why is it being prescribed?


20 posted on 06/30/2014 9:14:37 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: PROCON
"Science" is being used as a code-word for conception, i.e., when does life begin.

-PJ

21 posted on 06/30/2014 9:14:40 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: PROCON

Heyyyyyyyyyyyy, Abbott!


22 posted on 06/30/2014 9:14:55 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Arab Spring is over. Welcome to the Jihadi Spring." Jonah Goldberg)
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To: PROCON

The absolute hypocrisy and duplicity of the American statist left defies logical explanation!

Putting aside for the moment that “statist left” and “logical” should NEVER APPEAR in the same rant, the just announced Hobby Lobby decision by the Supremes displayed it for all to see. All, that is, except the looney 47% who are receiving all the “free” chit and other goodies dispensed by the left to keep them voting for Democrat hacks who promise more and more of the free chit.

At the time the left rammed through the (Un)Affordable Care Act, there were loud protests from the few million or so sane citizens still living here that it would interpose fedzilla into the formerly sacred relationship between patient and doctor. The equally looney “We have to pass it to find out what’s in it” left quickly waved a collective imperious hand and uttered a royal “Tsk, tsk”, dismissed the objectors and returned to destroying the fabric of the country.

Comes now the favorable Hobby Lobby decision and comes now two pro-abortion radical feminazis to – where else – MSNBC to decry and lament over the decision. One was Rep. Nita Lowey from NYC (aka Gomorrah on the Hudson) and another woman representing one of the several Margaret Sanger eugenics inspired pro-abortion groups still murdering babies in the former safety of their mothers’ wombs.

Their first and only opposition argument? Though I suspect you have figured this out, better brace yourself: “It would interfere with the sanctity of the relationship between a woman and her doctor.”

And before you hit the reply button with “What about the hypocrisy of the pro-life right in celebrating Hobby Lobby?”

You may have overlooked the third and silent party in the discussion: The unborn baby!

The pro-aborts maintain that a fetus is NOT a human being either until birth or the third trimester. (I’ll believe that when a human female delivers a chicken or a cow.) And a number of courts here and in other nations regularly rule in support of that erroneous notion.

And while we’re discussing “hypocrisy”, can you explain this to me? How is it that those same courts correctly rule in cases involving intentional or accidental serious injury to or death of a pregnant woman that if her unborn baby is injured or dies, her baby constitutes a SECOND victim of the trauma or crime and the jury/judge nearly always factors that into the civil judgment or criminal sentence?

That concept comes down to us from the over 2,000 year old law found in the Bible.

And here’s one final piece of law from that Good Book: “A double-minded man (or woman) is UNSTABLE in ALL his (or her) ways”.

What does that say about 21st century America?

Just sayin’

Dick Bachert
6 30 2014


23 posted on 06/30/2014 9:15:22 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: tanknetter
Does this mean that bakers can no longer be forced to create wedding cakes for gay weddings?

Great point! Common sense should deem so, but there are 4 libs on the court.

24 posted on 06/30/2014 9:17:56 AM PDT by PROCON (I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO TYRANNY!)
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To: PROCON

She blinded me with science.


25 posted on 06/30/2014 9:17:59 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: tanknetter

I think that the baker that is being forced to bake cakes for a gay wedding and go to re-education camp is a sole proprietor. So it would seem that the same conclusion should be upheld, even more so.


26 posted on 06/30/2014 9:18:00 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: PROCON

Nobody who opposes this ruling can say anything, without flat making stuff up.


27 posted on 06/30/2014 9:18:19 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: jonno

Yes but you would actually have to be informed to know that.

We are talking CNN here...


28 posted on 06/30/2014 9:18:31 AM PDT by DanielRedfoot (Creepy Ass Cracker)
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To: PROCON

NAZI eugenics were all about “the science”.

Leftists just want to outsource the work.


29 posted on 06/30/2014 9:19:07 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: reg45
For liberals, use Kelvin.

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(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

30 posted on 06/30/2014 9:19:44 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: listenhillary
Should we blindly follow science?

Science has to do with facts. It is not a blindly followed matter.

31 posted on 06/30/2014 9:19:47 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: PROCON

If the people at Hobby Lobby were Muslims, the idiots at CNN would be cheering the decision.


32 posted on 06/30/2014 9:21:09 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So you have to have a room temperature IQ to host a TV show now?

After listening to her, albeit briefly, I think you are correct.

33 posted on 06/30/2014 9:22:31 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: PROCON

Well, I hear ya, but this wasn’t an abortion case.

And this is where the meme is now headed. It will ratchet up anti-christian sentiment and action. And “active” Christians are a distinct minority. Again, I don’t care if I am the lone Conservative on this. This decision is going to backfire in time.

Not to mention that the ruling opens the door for the government to pay for the coverage so it will be MORE expansive at taxpayer’s expense. And, no, Congress will not need to approve that.

Be careful what you wish for ...


34 posted on 06/30/2014 9:22:34 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: PROCON

Science used to say blacks were less than human.


35 posted on 06/30/2014 9:22:38 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: FrdmLvr
I read her as claiming that science doesn't support the abortifacient potential of those contraceptives. Where she gets this claim, I have no idea.
36 posted on 06/30/2014 9:23:24 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: PROCON
Carol will always have a job at MSNBC if she wants.

Who doesn't like a lot of liberal opinion with your little bit of news? /s

37 posted on 06/30/2014 9:23:46 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: PROCON

The Constitution forbids Congress from lessening freedom of religion; it says nothing about science.


38 posted on 06/30/2014 9:28:17 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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Science tells us what we can do - Religion tells us what we should do.


39 posted on 06/30/2014 9:31:06 AM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: PROCON

Here’s an idea to solve the contraception dispute: consider the use of means to induce or prevent preganacy to be non-medical. Medical procedures are to solve health problems. Deciding on whether to become pregnant is not a health issue except in cases where a preganacy would pose a health problem to the mommy.


40 posted on 06/30/2014 9:31:09 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: Izzy Dunne

WHAT decision of “religion over science” was made.

NOWHERE in the original legislation was the mandate that birth control MUST be in any and all insurance “policies” under the provisions of the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010”. There was a clause, “as the Secretary shall direct”, but there was nothing explicit saying that ANYTHING had to be mandated beyond eliminating the prohibition against pre-existing conditions.

I put “policies” in quotes, because, strictly speaking, this whole program is not an insurance plan, it is a pre-paid coverage or an income redistribution scheme. No “risk assessment” was ever implied, either to the enrollee or the insurance company, which will be reimbursed through the Federal Treasury, if their cash flow falls below the point of continued viability.

Another “too big to fail” crony capitalism scheme.


41 posted on 06/30/2014 9:34:00 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

I can explain this as someone with a medical background in Maternal Child Health.

The American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology has defined a pregnancy as beginning at implantation NOT conception, and as such argues that the 4 contraceptives considered abortive in nature scientifically do not cause abortions because ACOG ( who is a politically entity with a liberal agenda…follow the money) had redefined when life begins. The four drugs in question in the HL case therefore do not cause abortion because they occur before a pregnancy has been established. Thus these talking heads claim that “science” states that life begins after implantation not conception. Hence the “science.” Interestingly, embryology textbooks begin at conception not implantation.

Hope this helps.


42 posted on 06/30/2014 9:34:19 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: longfellowsmuse
The American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology has defined a pregnancy as beginning at implantation NOT conception

So it's a semantic dodge to evade the point of the conscientious objection. Thanks for the clarification!

43 posted on 06/30/2014 9:38:04 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: PROCON; Lurking Libertarian; Perdogg; JDW11235; Clairity; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; GregNH; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

44 posted on 06/30/2014 9:40:35 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: PROCON

“Science” said the Arctic ice cap would be completely melted by 2010.

Let’s send her on a canoe trip to the North Pole.


45 posted on 06/30/2014 9:41:59 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Yes, it is a semantic dodge that generates millions of dollars in revenue. You are welcome.


46 posted on 06/30/2014 9:42:11 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Iron Munro

SCIENCE!


47 posted on 06/30/2014 9:42:23 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: PROCON

Biology is absolute that the zygote is a human the minute it is fertilized. He wants his religion to overrule biology.

Pray America wakes up


48 posted on 06/30/2014 9:43:17 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Putin 2016)
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To: Izzy Dunne

America never pretended to be founded on “SCIENCE.”

In that day, “SCIENCE” was a branch of natural philosophy; and in its writings, tribute to God was frequently paid. Now tribute to Darwinism is frequently paid.


49 posted on 06/30/2014 9:45:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So you have to have a room temperature IQ to host a TV show now?

No. Single-digits is acceptable.
50 posted on 06/30/2014 9:45:58 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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