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Hobby Lobby's Unintended Consequences
Politico Magazine ^ | July 1, 2014 | Ezekiel Emanuel

Posted on 07/02/2014 9:23:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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Ezekiel Emanuel is vice provost of the University of Pennsylvania and chairman of the Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy. He also advised the White House on healthcare reform during the Obama administration.
1 posted on 07/02/2014 9:23:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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America's crazy, patchwork health-care system just took another hit.

Took another hit? Took another hit?? You mean, some tiny little bit of good news after the mammoth ass reaming the government's given their masters over the last four years??

2 posted on 07/02/2014 9:25:32 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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this f face is evil personified, I cannot go on as I will be banned!


3 posted on 07/02/2014 9:30:07 PM PDT by acapesket
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cede that ability to your employer entirely, having them pick your insurance for you,

well, that's what they did for 50 years before so what was the problem with that? Employers shopped the insurance provider market and obtained the best plan for the most affordable price for their employees. Perks made working for one company more attractive over another and so drove competition for job openings, improving overall productivity of that company.

4 posted on 07/02/2014 9:30:20 PM PDT by blueplum
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Well, first, I don’t need birth control (pill form) because I’m a guy. Second, I’m celibate, so I don’t have to worry about accidentally becoming a father.

Can’t understand why so many women go crazy at wanting birth control. Are there really so many with an uncontrollable libido? Are a lot of them more like men than they want to admit? What’s wrong with this country? (that last one is rhetorical, don’t answer it)


5 posted on 07/02/2014 9:30:52 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a pessimist, I say plenty of negative things. Consider it a warning of sorts.)
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"But no principle differentiates contraception from blood transfusions or vaccines."

The stupid, it burns.

Emanuel cannot possibly be this stupid. Let me, a mere non-MD laymen explain:

The Hobby Lobby case was not about contraception or the Affordable Care Act. It was about abortifacients and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

Blood transfusions are acute, life-saving treatment. Contraception is not.

Blood transfusions are not available over the counter, nor are their over the counter alternatives to blood transfusions. Plan B is available over the counter, and Plan B is an OTC alternative to the prescription Ella.

Lack of vaccination endangers others. Lack of abortifacient coverage does not endanger others.

Shall I go on? Ezekiel Emanuel, you are a modern day Goebbels. A propagandist, pure and simple, who lies big, and lies often.

6 posted on 07/02/2014 9:38:38 PM PDT by magellan
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Kool aide drinkers


7 posted on 07/02/2014 9:39:09 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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America's crazy, patchwork health-care system just took another hit.

Sorry Easykill. I think that's a good thing. Your ObamaCare sucks!

8 posted on 07/02/2014 9:40:05 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The future must not belong to those who slander bacon.)
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And a man duplicitous enough to outdo even his lying brother. Writing in a high-toned academic style , he ignores the statute that the decision was founded on, in order to attempt to stampede gullible voters. To wit: the Religious Freedoms Restoration Act of 1993:

” (1) the framers of the Constitution, recognizing free exercise of religion as an unalienable right, secured its protection in the First Amendment to the Constitution;

(2) laws ‘neutral’ toward religion may burden religious exercise as surely as laws intended to interfere with religious exercise;

(3) governments should not substantially burden religious exercise without compelling justification;

(4) in Employment Division v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990) the Supreme Court virtually eliminated the requirement that the government justify burdens on religious exercise imposed by laws neutral toward religion; and

(5) the compelling interest test as set forth in prior Federal court rulings is a workable test for striking sensible balances between religious liberty and competing prior governmental interests.”http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/RFRA1993.html

The text of the law itself refutes every argument this clown can up with. To a true progressive like himself, the Constitution is a piffle.


9 posted on 07/02/2014 9:40:37 PM PDT by gusopol3
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Reminder: Hobby Lobby Provides Coverage for 16 Types of Contraception
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3174342/posts


10 posted on 07/02/2014 9:41:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: magellan

Yay, thanks.


11 posted on 07/02/2014 9:41:50 PM PDT by gusopol3
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“Which would you prefer: ....”

I would prefer not have a Mengele figure offer me my choices when it comes to healthcare as if he and only he can come up with them. I would prefer to pay for my use of medical services as I use them and to have a fairly priced catastrophic ins policy in case TSHTF. I would prefer not to subsidize this group, that class, or some other arbitrary cluster of people who have been made to believe they have a claim on my earnings or my assets. And I would go a little further and prefer that know-it-alls like this ghoul would stay the hell out of my life and my choices.


12 posted on 07/02/2014 9:42:18 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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Employers shopped the insurance provider market and obtained the best plan for the most affordable price for their employees. Perks made working for one company more attractive over another and so drove competition for job openings, improving overall productivity of that company.

YEP.

Plus there is that option during every enrolment period every year... "No, I do not want to participate."

The only bunch of jerks around that mandated buying their insurance according to their criteria is the feds.

Sorry Ezekiel, "no sale."

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13 posted on 07/02/2014 9:42:31 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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Get government out of it entirely! If a business wants to buy health insurance for none, some, or all employees, it’s no business but theirs. If I as a private citizen want to buy my own coverage, let me buy what I want. Make all health insurance tax free or charge the same tax no matter who buys it. Government meddling only ends up distorting the health care market which results in rising costs for everyone involved.


14 posted on 07/02/2014 9:42:36 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (America for Americans first!)
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Another screed.

Allow me to apply the Constitution for a second. The owners of businesses get to decide whatever they provide. Closely held is irrelevant. In a non-closely held company, the shareholders could throw out management for a decision they did not like, so this is a non-issue.
The owners of a business may decide to provide, or not provide anything they want.
“Well, what about blood transfusions and Christian scientists!”
What about it? As long as it is made clear to you what the insurance your employer is providing covers, there is no conflict here. You are free to work for anyone you want. You are free to leave a company whenever you like. In fact, in America if you don’t want to work for a company that does not offer blood transfusions as covered by their insurance, we have this great way to avoid it.
DON’T INTERVIEW FOR THAT JOB!

Where did this entitlement mentality come from? If it is my business and I want to not provide something, FOR ANY REASON, as long as I have not agreed to provide in a contract and signed that contract, there should be no limits on what I can do in the sense of insurance provisions. Its my damn business!
And this extends to employment and commerce as well. If I don’t want to serve someone for WHATEVER REASON, I have a right not to. If I don’t want to employ someone for WHATEVER REASON, I have a right not to. We are at the point where I can be forced to give my product and labor against my will? What is this, Cambodia?!

If you want me to pay for something with my money or time, whether it be training you for a job, serving you or providing a product, or indeed covering you under a company health plan, YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT I GET TO DICTATE THE TERMS!

If you want to dictate the terms... PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!

I am sick of the extra-constitutional BS at this point. I have had it!


15 posted on 07/02/2014 9:43:08 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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He is also the brother of Rahm Emanuel and was one of the architects of Obamacare, something blithely ignored by the piece, written by his eminence. “Thanks to Sam Alito and friends, the end of America’s crazy patchwork system just got a little closer.”
In other words, “we are one step closer to socialized medicine, also known as one ‘one payer.’ “
This evil useful idiot is a buffoon, but not the stupid kind; he knows exactly what he is doing. In every revolution, except the American one, this useful idiot would be the first to be sacrificed when the socialists take power. We are not there yet but how strange it is that the people promulgating the change have no idea they will be the first to be sacrificed. They never learn, rather refuse to learn when the truth is right before their eyes. John 8:32.


16 posted on 07/02/2014 9:47:46 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: Viennacon; CitizenUSA

17 posted on 07/02/2014 9:53:19 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dissolve the State boundary restrictions to health insurers and allow nationwide competition, and get rid of Obamacare, and this whole mess will sort itself out within 90 days.


18 posted on 07/02/2014 10:11:32 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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Just pay for own damn birth control, it’s not expensive.


19 posted on 07/02/2014 10:12:17 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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MOST employers already and for as long as I have worked picked the insurance for the employees. Usually you have 2 3 maybe 4 choices depending on the size of the company and you will contribute money according to the program you chose. Hobby Lobby changed nothing in this regard.
Just typical leftjerk sacre mongering..........


20 posted on 07/02/2014 10:40:05 PM PDT by 48th SPS (Not Republican. Not a Democrat. I am an American)
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