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Army wants a harder-hitting pistol
Foxnews.com ^ | July 03, 2014 | By Matthew Cox

Posted on 07/03/2014 7:51:01 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

The U.S. Army is moving forward to replace the Cold War-era M9 9mm pistol with a more powerful handgun that also meets the needs of the other services.

As the lead agent for small arms, the Army will hold an industry day July 29 to talk to gun makers about the joint, Modular Handgun System or MHS.

The MHS would replace the Army's inventory of more than 200,000 outdated M9 pistols and several thousand M11 9mm pistols with one that has greater accuracy, lethality, reliability and durability, according to Daryl Easlick, a project officer with the Army's Maneuver Center of Excellence at Fort Benning, Georgia.

"It's a total system replacement -- new gun, new ammo, new holster, everything," Easlick said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 1911; 45acp; 9mm; banglist; beretta; usarmy; usmilitary
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To: left that other site

“I have little hands, and thought a smaller caliber would be better for me. I tried a Kimber .45 and it was so stable I hit the center EVERY shot.”

XD-45 ACP with 4” barrel, double stacks 13+1 in a small frame. Very stable, and accurate. Don’t need no sissy calibers! And the XDs-45ACP is great in a smaller package. I know a couple ladies who carry ‘em.

My son is a deputy sheriff, and he says deputies who have accidental discharges carry Glocks.


141 posted on 07/03/2014 10:28:24 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Thanks...I’ll check it out! :-)


142 posted on 07/03/2014 10:31:28 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

It appears the standard model does not include the all important rear stock so remains a pistol rather than a short rifle.


143 posted on 07/03/2014 10:34:38 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Okieshooter

That’s the case.


144 posted on 07/03/2014 10:35:12 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: elcid1970
What about the H&K USP for a modern pistol in .45 ACP?

I was going to post something similar. HK, an FN 45, or something else along those lines. If they were to switch back to the 45 ACP, I would prefer to see a higher magazine capacity than the standard 1911. It would also be nice to have a weapon system that allowed for quick and easy parts replacement without requireing "real gunsmith" difficulty of work.

145 posted on 07/03/2014 10:35:14 AM PDT by NationalistVisionary (Who will be America's Charles Martel?)
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To: KC Burke
Absolutely. For sentry duty we had wide web belts that distributed the weight very well (I was in the Navy). It simply wasn't that big an issue.

I'm not sure training is really that big an issue, either. I recall my first Chief saying, "Mr. Drill, you give a sailor a cast-iron cannonball and in 24 hours he'll either lose it or [mess] it up!" but in practice it really wasn't all that bad. Lose a single cartridge over the side, though, and the consensus was that you might be better off jumping in after it.

146 posted on 07/03/2014 10:37:33 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: left that other site
Whatever caliber you decide to use, wrap it in bacon first. :-)

Already posted...lol

Peace Through Pork!

147 posted on 07/03/2014 10:37:53 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (You all can go to hell, I'm going to Texas.)
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To: Arrowhead1952
I carry the S&W K model .357 for wilderness wondering, or gold panning excursions.
I like my Kimber .45 but choosing the right bullet for each occasion is important.
Feral street trash fits the .45 nicely.
148 posted on 07/03/2014 10:38:37 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: lacrew

All should train with the 1911. The the cooks and clerks can have 1911s for there sidearm and allow the shooters to get the Glock in 40S&W or 357Sig. M1Carbines ran alongside Granads in winning a war and beyond.


149 posted on 07/03/2014 10:49:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: dila813
They should, but they won’t, because they want to have metric ammo due to nato.

Then rename the .45 ACP to 11.43MM and be done with it. LOL

150 posted on 07/03/2014 10:54:50 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: lacrew

I think it depends on the 45. With my Kimber, I can put rounds in the center of a target at 25 meters as fast as I can pull the trigger, recoil is slight, the pistol has weight.


151 posted on 07/03/2014 11:01:36 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: NFHale

I’ve used glocks a lot, but I don’t like them. They feel like plastic to me and the recoil is sharper than a similar caliber in a metal pistol heh.


152 posted on 07/03/2014 11:04:21 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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And the XD-45 ACP beats the Kimber a whole lot on price :-)

Buy the XD-45 for less than $500, and comes with a case, lock, holster, ez-loader, 2 mags and a 2-mag holder that goes on your belt.


153 posted on 07/03/2014 11:06:14 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: US Navy Vet

The Gospel of John Moses Browning

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154 posted on 07/03/2014 11:09:16 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: GreyFriar

I was in 2/32 Armor 65-68 and 82-85.....I still say soldiers who could legitimately qualify as expert with the M1911 were few and far between regardless of the amount of training.


155 posted on 07/03/2014 11:11:00 AM PDT by csmusaret (Will remove Obama-Biden bumperstickers for $10)
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To: Bulwyf

I’ve actually compared my abilities using a Kimber .45 and a 92F Beretta. It was a friend’s Kimber...and I believe it was a model meant for concealed carry.

Anyway, the grip wasn’t long enough for me to get my entire hand on it. So, when I fired it, the barrel would jump up much more than I am used to...to the point I was concerned about keeping good control. It was accurate, without question, but my time to get back on target was longer than with a 92.

And when you say “as fast as I can pull the trigger”...the 92F is very literally that fast. It is dislike by many because it is exceptionally heavy, with a very long barrel. But these characteristics, combined with its small caliber, make it act practically like a .22 target pistol, as far as recoil is concerned. The physics of a larger round make it hard for a .45 to match that. Have you every done a side by side test?


156 posted on 07/03/2014 11:22:10 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

How is the XD for reliability and construction.


157 posted on 07/03/2014 11:27:11 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Thanks... I learned something today...


158 posted on 07/03/2014 11:40:28 AM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: csmusaret

It’s called practice. If you practice long enough you perfect the use of your implements.


159 posted on 07/03/2014 11:42:26 AM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Okieshooter

Read the article first. You don’t have to buy all the paraphernalia that comes with it. If you were to buy the stock, yes it would be considered a short rifle.

Buy a sling and scope from Amazon instead and no stock or handle or you will be considered a badass and hit with the tax.


160 posted on 07/03/2014 11:45:58 AM PDT by 353FMG
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