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Look Who's Arriving on the NAFTA Train
Townhall.com ^ | July 15, 2014 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 07/15/2014 9:24:50 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: 1rudeboy
That appears odd coming from someone who thinks Vladimir Putin is the second coming

I don't think Putin is the second coming. I wouldn't want to be ruled by him but he's definitely not as bad as the Globalist trash says he is.

41 posted on 07/15/2014 11:09:23 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Read the greyed sentence about averages.


42 posted on 07/15/2014 11:09:50 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: 1rudeboy

I never tire of exposing the treason lobby.

I once heard someone accuse a libertarian of patriotism. I’m sure you find that accusation as preposterous as I do.


43 posted on 07/15/2014 11:10:53 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: Pelham
Schlafly is right of course, and rudeboy is predictably more concerned with trying to defend a flawed trade bill rather than the border.

Strawman #2.

And the notion that illegal immigration would not be a problem in the absence of NAFTA is delusional. So those low-skilled, low-income farm workers would be coming despite what Ralph Nader and his fellow-travelers claim.

44 posted on 07/15/2014 11:12:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

That is true, and not NAFTA’s fault, either.


NAFTA cost us jobs.

All one has to do is consider the textile industry. Hundreds of thousands of jobs have been lost.

All you have to do is go across the border into Mexico and see all the USA companies manufacturing down there — automotive, appliances, etc. The list is long.

Caterpillar has multiple facilities just south of the border. I believe it’s 18. Wasn’t too many years ago that they closed 5 facilities in Mississippi and moved all those jobs to Mexico.

They are paying very low wages for these jobs in Mexico. USA workers have to compete against it. It should be very easy to see that we lost jobs in this deal.

Bill Clinton told us that the low paid 50 year old woman in the textile mill would be retrained with a tech job making more money. That never happened and the jobs weren’t there. This was not too long before the tech crash on Wall Street.


45 posted on 07/15/2014 11:16:17 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Pelham
I never tire of exposing the treason lobby.

I'm sure you miss Willie Green, too.

46 posted on 07/15/2014 11:16:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: boycott
Pet peeve of mine: by textile-industry, you mean garment-industry. We ship our textiles to Mexico (and points south) so that they can sew them into garments and ship them back to us.

So unless you aspire to have your kids working in a garment-sewing factory, or wish to do it yourself . . . .

47 posted on 07/15/2014 11:20:01 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Pelham

His charts showing increases in the number of jobs and wage rates since 1994 were clearly flawed thinking. If someone doesn’t think we lost jobs because of NAFTA, they weren’t paying close attention.


48 posted on 07/15/2014 11:30:45 AM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott

Thanks for pinging me. No one said jobs weren’t lost, the charts say that the total number of jobs increased. I know, math is hard.


49 posted on 07/15/2014 11:32:40 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

So unless you aspire to have your kids working in a garment-sewing factory, or wish to do it yourself . . . .


There were a lot of people here working in those jobs. That was all they knew. What about them?


50 posted on 07/15/2014 11:33:24 AM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott
There were a lot of people here working in those jobs. That was all they knew. What about them?

They were replaced by a machine. Been in a textile factory recently?

51 posted on 07/15/2014 11:35:47 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

So does denouncing inconvenient facts as “strawmen” really work for you?

I see that it’s one of your favorites. Probably passes for convincing argument in your weekly ayn rand study group.

Too bad for you that the Clinton era surge of illegals was well studied and even the illegals themselves knew the connection. The inexpensive American grain poured into Mexico and their little farms failed by the thousands.

Just a coincidence I’m sure. Unless you use Occam’s Razor and then it’s not so tough.


52 posted on 07/15/2014 11:35:54 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: Pelham

I actually don’t point-out strawmen very often . . . just to people too stupid to understand, otherwise.


53 posted on 07/15/2014 11:37:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: boycott

It’s not a matter of not paying attention.

It’s a matter of dogma. In the church of libertarianism trade is one of the holy sacraments.

Questioning the perfection of NAFTA exposes you as a skeptic and probably an infidel.


54 posted on 07/15/2014 11:39:38 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: 1rudeboy

” just to people too stupid to understand, otherwise.”

Oh! I’m wounded!

When you run out of argument hurling one feels so good. Playground 101. But then you did name yourself ‘rude boy’...


55 posted on 07/15/2014 11:44:11 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: Pelham

Well, that explains your first comment to me on this thread. LOLOL


56 posted on 07/15/2014 11:45:50 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Thanks for pinging me. No one said jobs weren’t lost, the charts say that the total number of jobs increased. I know, math is hard.


Jobs increased in number by 25 million but the population increased by more than 60 million. Your numbers were pretty meaningless.

You mentioned wage rates going up but you should gotten my point that this chart was also absolutely meaningless.

I tried not to be offensive and I do not wish to continue.


57 posted on 07/15/2014 11:47:26 AM PDT by boycott
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To: 1rudeboy

Did it hurt your feelings? I apologize.


58 posted on 07/15/2014 11:48:17 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: Pelham

Absolutely the opposite: nothing amuses me more than someone who parachutes onto a thread with a personal insult, only to claim later that personal insults indicate that one has no argument.


59 posted on 07/15/2014 11:51:20 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: boycott

Then don’t post a comment that we are “trading our jobs for free” on a public forum.


60 posted on 07/15/2014 11:54:18 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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