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Not even MH17 will stop Putin's goal of new Soviet Union
express.co.uk ^ | July 20, 2014 | Yuri Felshtinski

Posted on 07/19/2014 6:41:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

THE tragedy of MH17 will do nothing to stop Putin in his plans to re-establish a new Soviet Union. This was a tragic accident for him but his ambitions extend beyond Ukraine and this will not stop that.

The world now knows he is involved with separatists connected to the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. I think Putin will understand there is no going back now and he will make his move.

Ukraine is only the first stage; it is the beginning of a wider campaign to increase Russia's strength. He will move to other countries, such as Moldova and Belorussia, where there is a strong Russian population.

This will become a European war if the West does not do more to stop it. The deaths of foreign civilians make this a European war already. Europe relies on Russia for oil and gas and Great Britain relies on it for money, but that is where they have to hit. If you watch Russian TV it is extremely anti-Ukrainian, they are showing a completely different picture.

The Russian people are being fed opposing information. They are happy to see themselves as a powerful state again, but not if it becomes expensive.

Europe should cancel visas for Russians who are members of parties that supported the annexation of Crimea, for example. It should stop Russian airlines flying over Europe or Russians from visiting the UK.

It should tell the wives of powerful people that they cannot travel to London to shop any more.

This is how you get them, you have to make it personal and there are ways of doing that. Europe should hit the rouble and hit the stock market. Cut the country off from the rest of the continent, and then Russians who rely on Europe for business will question what Putin is doing.

This is not a problem anybody wants to deal with, but the murder of the passengers on that plane means everyone has to. It is not economic any more, it is a political power struggle. If Europe does not demonstrate to Putin now that it is taking it seriously then the problem will escalate and we will have the costs of war to worry about, not just the economy.

Putin will not stop until others stop him.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: bhorussia; coldwar2; mh17
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1 posted on 07/19/2014 6:41:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
his plans to re-establish a new Soviet Union

All he has to do is fire everyone competent. We won the Cold War. The Soviet Union failed.

Sounds like someone misses the Cold War.

/johnny

2 posted on 07/19/2014 6:46:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
ll he has to do is fire everyone competent.

Venezuela did that. Venezuela is a model of (in)efficiency. Could take 3 weeks or months to unload a cargo ship. Seriously it is that bad.

3 posted on 07/19/2014 6:48:12 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Personally Vlady don’t care what Euros America and rest of the world thinks


4 posted on 07/19/2014 6:48:49 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Romney said this and the MSM / Obama said his political views were ‘from the 1980s.’

Have any admitted their mistake?


5 posted on 07/19/2014 6:49:22 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What a coincidence. His comrade-from-another-mother, Barry Soetoro, doesn’t let loss of life like that which occurred at Ft. Hood and elsewhere stop him from fundamentally transforming The USA into The USSA.


6 posted on 07/19/2014 6:50:12 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Putin is in a box, he can come clean on the missile attack and Russia will be relegated to an outsider in the world community or not cooperate and be persona non grata on the world stage.


7 posted on 07/19/2014 6:50:39 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Tailgunner Joe

After all the outrage and media over-coverage, not much will come of this.


8 posted on 07/19/2014 6:50:59 PM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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FReepers! Let's go!
Every donation counts!



9 posted on 07/19/2014 6:51:14 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Russia is working ok as is for these companies:

All are members of the US-Russia Business Council

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32 Advisors LLC

Abbott Laboratories

AbbVie

Aerolase Corporation

Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP

Alcoa

Alfa Bank

Alliance Logistics

Almaz Capital Partners

American Chamber of Commerce in Russia

American Councils for International Education

American International Group (AIG)

American-Russian Cultural
Cooperation Foundation


American Superconductor Corp

Amgen, Inc.

APCO Worldwide

Apple, Inc.

Argus Limited

Association of Equipment Manufacturers

Association of Regional Banks of Russia

Atlantic Ro-Ro Carriers, Inc.

Automotive Industry Action Group (AIAG)

Aviahelp Group, JSC

Avon Products, Inc.

BNSF Logistics

BNY Mellon

BP America Inc.

Baker & McKenzie

Baker Botts L.L.P.

Baker Hughes B.V.

Bank of America

Baring Vostok Capital Partners

Baxter

BayRu LLC

Bentley Systems

Berry Moorman P.C.

Black & Veatch Corporation

Blacklin Associates, LLC

The Boeing Company

BoKom International Consulting

Boston Scientific

Buchanan Ingersoll & Rooney PC

CRDF Global

Cameron

Capital Legal Services International LLC

Capital Research and Management Company

Cargill, Incorporated

Case New Holland

Caterpillar Inc.

CDNetworks

Celgene

Center for Business Ethics and Corporate Governance

Center for Entrepreneurship

ChemDiv, Inc.

Chevron Corporation

Chrysler Group LLC

Cisco Systems, Inc.

Citi

CLAAS North America Holdings

Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP

The Coca-Cola Company

ConocoPhillips

Council for U.S.-Russia Relations

Cummins Inc.

DHL Express

Debevoise & Plimpton LLP

Dechert LLP

Deere & Company

Deloitte

Dentons





EMC Corporation

Eagle Consulting International

Ecolab

Edelman

Educational Testing Service

Egorov, Puginsky, Afanasiev & Partners

E.J. Krause & Associates, Inc.

Elite Security Group

Emerging Markets Institute, Cornell University

Energy Policy Research Foundation, Inc.

EY

Eurasia Foundation

Exxon Mobil Corporation

FWH and Associates LLC

Feldmans Consulting

First International Resources

Fluor Corporation

Ford Motor Company

Fort Ross Conservancy

Fund-Operator of Program to Procure Financial Assistance to the Skolkovo Fund Innovative Projects

Gazprom Export

General Electric Company

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Guardian Industries Corporation

Harriman Institute, Columbia University

Hermitage Museum Foundation

Hewlett-Packard Company

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Hill+Knowlton Strategies

IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates

IPG Photonics Corporation

Institute for Health Policy Analysis

Innovative Pharma - Association of Pharmaceutical Companies

Integrum Worldwide

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International Business-Government Counsellors, Inc.

International Paper

International Research and Exchange Board (IREX)

JTI Marketing and Sales

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Kazan National Research Technological University

Kennan Institute

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Law Offices of Ethan S. Burger

Law Office of Daniel J. Rothstein, P.C.

Lawson International, Inc.

Lazare Kaplan International Inc.

LegaLife LLC

Eli Lilly & Company

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MSD Pharmaceuticals

Marchmont Capital Partners

Marks & Sokolov, LLC

Marriott Hotels of Moscow

MARS, Incorporated

McLarty Associates

Medtronic, Inc.

Mercator XXI, LLC

MetLife

Microsoft Corporation

Mid-Atlantic — Russia Business Council

Moscow State Mining University

New Ad Age International, Inc.

New Sensor Corporation

NUKEM Inc.

Open World Leadership Center

Osnovsky & Associates

PBN Hill+Knowlton Strategies

PwC

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Penetron Russia Group of Companies

PepsiCo, Inc.

Petroleum Advisory Forum

Pettibone International LLC

Pfizer Inc.

The Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA)

Philip Morris Sales and Marketing Ltd.

Procter & Gamble

Progresstech Group of Companies

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RB International Finance (USA) LLC

RDO Equipment Company

Rachmaninoff Competitions & Festivals, Inc.

Ramla Benaissa Architects

Renova Group of Companies

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Robinson College of Business, Georgia State University

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RUSNANO, JSC

Russian Agricultural Bank

Russian American Foundation

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Sberbank of Russia

Saint-Petersburg Electrotechnical Company (SPbEC)

Schlumberger Limited

Siguler Guff & Company, LLC

Sobolev & Partners Legal Services, LLC

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TMK IPSCO

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Trans-NET, Inc.

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The U.S. Russia Foundation
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10 posted on 07/19/2014 6:53:15 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: TigerClaws
Have any admitted their mistake?

It wasn't a mistake. They are part of the team. If they have to pull a Reggie Jackson and stick their hip into the path of a double-play ball from time to time in order to win The World Serious, they see it as their job.

11 posted on 07/19/2014 6:53:43 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Oliviaforever
How did that work out for the flight from Alaska to Korea.... KAL007?

It was the CCCP then, and they didn't admit to anything for a long, long time.

Everybody kept dealing with them. History teaches us things.

/johnny

12 posted on 07/19/2014 6:54:20 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TigerClaws

Bummer told Vlad that after he was re-elected he would have more flexibility to bend over and grab his ankles.


13 posted on 07/19/2014 6:54:53 PM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

~Europe should cancel visas for Russians who are members of parties that supported the annexation of Crimea, for example. It should stop Russian airlines flying over Europe or Russians from visiting the UK.

It should tell the wives of powerful people that they cannot travel to London to shop any more.

This is how you get them, you have to make it personal and there are ways of doing that. Europe should hit the rouble and hit the stock market. ~

Well, if they are looking to lose all the influence with any group in Russia why not?

~Cut the country off from the rest of the continent, and then Russians who rely on Europe for business will question what Putin is doing~
Why would they ask questions as far as it’s the West that severed ties? With all pro-Western groups isolated this way it would be a gift for any power inside the country willing to restore a real dictatorship.

All of the above worked exactly the same in Cuba or Iran. None of these regimes could have been alive today if not for a sanctions uniting populations behind their leadership who can easily cover their mismanagement and corruption blaming sanctions for poor performance.


14 posted on 07/19/2014 6:56:29 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: SevenofNine

I think he takes note, but this is just a little bump in the road for his plans. A mere inconvenience.


15 posted on 07/19/2014 6:58:38 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

16 posted on 07/19/2014 7:01:23 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I am unconcerned with Putin. America has its own tyrant to deal with presently.


17 posted on 07/19/2014 7:26:35 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Did we not encourage Russia to abandon communism and adopt capitalism and emulate America? Are we condemning companies that are doing business with Russia? Should they jettison all investments that they have made?

The reason we found it necessary to install a puppet government in the Ukraine was that they were getting ready to sign a deal with Russia that was better than the EU bankers were offering. Imagine that! A leader looking for the best deal for it’s country.

I would put the USA and Russia close to levels of corruption and having a Fascist governments with Russia still in the lead.


18 posted on 07/19/2014 7:27:37 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
his plans to re-establish a new Soviet Union

Nope. Just a smaller version of the old Russian Empire.


Territory
Spheres of influence

Light green = spheres of influence.
19 posted on 07/19/2014 7:31:26 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Oliviaforever

Putin holds a fair amount of cards. The natural gas pipeline is a key one. Europe depends on it.

I do not see that it would matter much if Putin through some pro-Russian separatists to the wolves. How would that change anything?


20 posted on 07/19/2014 8:04:45 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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