Posted on 07/26/2014 5:26:08 AM PDT by McGruff
The U.S. Embassy in Libya evacuated its personnel on Saturday because of ongoing militia violence in the capital, Tripoli, U.S. officials said.
About 150 personnel, including 80 U.S. Marines were evacuated from the embassy in the early hours of Saturday morning and were driven across the border into Tunisia, U.S. officials confirm to CNN.
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No. WE killed him - and a foreign reporter I know - who was going to show who the ‘rebels’ REALLY were - o’bummer’s brothers.
Kadaffi and Mubarak were our allies - so they were taken out and That whole swath of Africa - which includes control of the Suez and the Sinai - were handed over to the muzzie brotherhood....part of the reestablishment of the Caliphate.
Had the Egyptian people not raised up and ousted o’bummer’s brothers, Israel would be near extinction today. Instead, Egypt has thwarted Hamas movements on Israel through the Sinai.
Hopefully, what’s going on in Libya now is similar to what the Egyptians did.
"Hopefully, what’s going on in Libya now is similar to what the Egyptians did.
No, we did not kill him, We just did not save him.
Similar to the Shaw of Iran situation we often have unintended consequences as a result of past actions but it's complicated and may have occurred earlier or later but occurred anyway, who knows? We had decades of history with Kadaffi as we did in Egypt .
As to the civil war, which is what it is, I don't know how it will work out. I do know that this animosity that has spawned from a thousand years of Muslim infighting was occurring long before the US was even a gleam in American history's eye.
It's therefore, not our fault at the root causal level and many believe that it's also not our responsibility as some believe it is. Our foreign policy for many decades was just to allow them to kill each other, and ally with the more friendly sides that often changed with the good or bad fortunes of one bad actor or another.
After 9/11, the seriousness and just who was who, became a more important issue. Nobody in the West gave a tinker damn about Caliphates or Shia /Sunni relationships or anything else until after 9/11. So our relationships as well as our concerns have now changed and that of course affect Israel, the only Democracy ( solid western ally) in the Middle East. Since Obozo got control of the State department as part of his domain, he has employed a different political position where he supports the revolutionary side of every conflict as if it were a freedom struggle from oppression. This is a Marxist view point and will certainly not improve the situation and may lead to a outright disaster in the Middle East, as you indicated in your post and I agree..
Not much to say about McCain. he is of the old guard politician cabal that plows into regional and local conflicts without much thought of the consequences. That mindset usually led to disaster 50% of the time and is akin to a crap shoot to see where the dice fall.
I am not expert on the Muslim tribal relationships to add much to the arguments, but when I do comment on it, it is usually because I viewed what we did as a policy what a mistake, and that we either supported the wrong side, intervened when we should have stayed out, or stayed out when we should have intervened.
But it's easy to be a Monday morning quarter back. As to
” unintended consequences”
Totally intended - the raison d’etra.
O’bummer STARTED the whole thing - to get rid of one of our allies - who kept the muzzie brotherhood under control and who hated the tallies and helped us with intelligence on them and turning over any they got a hold of.
o’bummer was intent of establishing a huge foothold for the new Caliphate - and then there was also Qaddafi’s massive stores of gold (he didn’t trust banks (can’t imagine why) and kept the gold in country. He was encouraging - and had other countries in Africa ready to go with him - on establishing the gold standard, which would have been a big blow to us and most other countries.
And there was the super valuable oil pipe line from Libya, under the sea to Italy. (That was the prize for Italy going in with o’bummer.)
It was reported - and quaffed - soon after the beginning of the ‘kinetic’ whatever, the ‘rebels’ that we were arming were really al Queda run? I’m sure you remember that. No?
And there was the arms he had - a prize for al queda. ... you might remember something about what was really going on in Benghazi soon after Qaddafi was toppled? ?
And so, a handful of countries joined o’bummer - and they divided up the spoils. Old as history.
And we lost a valuable ally in the Middle East.
Well, I don’t have enough evidence to support most of what you assert. In fact you are “unintentionally” giving Obama credit for being brilliant, but wrong.
I think he’s a ignorant lib, if not stupid, so I used the term unintended consequences in the same way I use that term for what happened to the Shaw Of Iran. We created him as we helped to create Kaddafi.
I’m just pointing out to you that if you get into a balloon and ascend to 100,000 feet and take a look at the middle east in a time sequenced calendar, going back over a thousand years, you will not see the US anywhere but you will see numerous State sponsored actors screwing with the Middle east and North Africa for their own reasons.
Over time, you will see groups of Muslims, small at first then growing, begin to fight, destroy and kill these foreign invaders, (as they see them) and they kill a lot of them, and they even invade their domains, all the way to Italy.
That was your Caliphate, if I recall, and they want to do essentially the same thing again, since it worked so well before.
Taking away just how stupid that idea is, for a moment, with todays weapons and interdependent global societies, the reaction to other States screwing with them, seems reasonable to a liberal moonbat. I think that is how they think, and no I don’t think they are smart enough to engineer the Middle East, even though they think they have good intentions as all liberals do.
Frankly, and I written a lot of words about it this weekend, I would prefer our Middle East and African policies to be reworked and made absolutely clear to anyone.
I would like to have a policy that simply says that if we are forced to intervene or do it as a strategic option with boots on the ground, we need to invade, occupy, and stay for the length of time it takes to repair or remodel not just the infrastructure, but the people themselves. It could take 50 years, or 30, but it won’t take less than that.
I think if we are not willing to do that, we should stay out and have a policy of containment using what ever means are needed for that, to include bombs, missiles, ICBM’s. Weapons aid to one side or another would only end up being used to kill us as well so I would not do that.
As to our policies in Eastern Europe or elsewhere, I think they can be different.
I guess what I am saying is that what I am saying here that I believe this group of people with this shared religion are probably not salvageable without great expense. And I don’t think they ever will be.
I think we should reassert parts of a much older foreign policy as it applies to them, and modify it by saying that we contain then but leave them alone and let them kill each other, or if a strategic issue develops, then kill them all as the situation warrants.
I am saying, that I am done with them and we should be too. Unless we make the effort to deprogram them. Going perhaps as far as writing a New Koran.
I think we should, since it’s impossible to get a working program that would not last 30 years or more, that we need to extend continue to extend that protection to Israel in the same way we would protect Alaska or Hawaii.
Once those policies are written in stone, we let the chips fall where they may and suppress any domestic opposition to it as best we can.
And America’s “boy-king” tries to feign he has everything under control.
It doesn't take intelligence to carry out the orders of one puppeteers - like all the muzzies that have installed in the WH and our PIC -Puppeteer in Chief, Val J - he is their lap dog, and his narcissism plays into it perfect. He gets to be the 'big man' as if he WERE the brain. He gets to strut and preen - and read off the teleprompter.
Left to his own devices, he can't even walk a dog.
LOL.....Had not seen that pic...
We need to, as republicans, have a policy of containment on him and Val as well.
If that does not work, then there are other options for the next 2.4 years.
Except we don't want Obama trying to fix it. Leave it for the next President. Hopefully, someone with more competence and not beholden to the Muslims.
I loved you timeline.
here is an excerpt on Libya 1989 from my father who was there flying missions as the Commanding Officer of VFA-82:
“We were there for the Libyan thing, but the escorts were primarily the fighters, and the rest of us provided alerts, or SUCAP on station off the coast. Also, on the mission I flew to gather FLIR pictures of my target complex in Beirut, I have no pictures of the mission including being lit up by Russian SA-5 missile systems from Syria. They have a range in excess of 100 miles, and I was a bit inland of the 3 mile limit when I got the close up pictures of the complex in downtown Beirut. They were highly classified then, so I couldn’t get any. I was less than 50 miles from the missiles at the time, and it was fun zooming to the deck supersonic to get out of their envelope.”
Capt. Rick Eason
U.S.Navy (retired)
I loved you timeline.
here is an excerpt on Libya 1989 from my father who was there flying missions as the Commanding Officer of VFA-82:
“We were there for the Libyan thing, but the escorts were primarily the fighters, and the rest of us provided alerts, or SUCAP on station off the coast. Also, on the mission I flew to gather FLIR pictures of my target complex in Beirut, I have no pictures of the mission including being lit up by Russian SA-5 missile systems from Syria. They have a range in excess of 100 miles, and I was a bit inland of the 3 mile limit when I got the close up pictures of the complex in downtown Beirut. They were highly classified then, so I couldn’t get any. I was less than 50 miles from the missiles at the time, and it was fun zooming to the deck supersonic to get out of their envelope.”
Capt. Rick Eason
U.S.Navy (retired)
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