Posted on 07/29/2014 9:13:26 PM PDT by aardwolf46
This has been on various news sites today, but I don't see it on FR or Drudge. Any sort of a Google search on "MH17 bullet holes" will turn up multiple versions. German investigators are claiming that the forward part of MH17 is riddled with bullet holes, apparently 30mm, which is the main armament of the Ukrainian jets which were tailing the airliner. There is zero possibility of anybody shooting down an airliner with a 30mm gun from the ground.
"A piece of wreckage from the Malaysia Airlines jet downed over Ukraine is seen near Petropavlivka village, Donetsk region, eastern Ukraine Wednesday, July 23, 2014. Independent military analysts said Wednesday that the size, spread, shape and number of shrapnel impacts visible in an AP photograph of a piece of the wreckage all point to a missile system like the SA-11 Buk."
https://in.news.yahoo.com/lightbox/shrapnel-damage-on-malaysia-plane-consistent-with-missile-strike-1406049495-slideshow/piece-wreckage-malaysia-airlines-jet-downed-over-ukraine-photo-140308925.html
You're an idiot.
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Look Ivan, their lackeys are the ones who control the crash site.
Look at his join date, was just this June. It is known that Russia fields a “troll army” sent to infiltrate discussion forums and troll news threads. Most of the trolls though are really stupid, while some might have more education and experience at it.
The entry holes are clean enough to measure; there is no ruler in the photos, but I presume the reports are not lying. If that is so, where would rebels get a 30mm airplane gun, and how would they position it and the debris to get the required angle of entry? I'm pretty sure that you cannot hold that gun in one hand; and you can't even hang it from a crane, as it is bound to have some serious recoil.
The GSh-30-2 is carried by the Sukhoi Su-25 ground attack plane and in external gun pods. It measures 2044 × 222 × 195 mm, with a barrel length of 1500 mm and a weight of 105 kg.
But the final proof can be obtained only if the investigators can trace the same bullet, or the same pattern of bullets, through both sides of the cockpit. That would be possible only if the bullets (or the shrapnel of the missile's warhead) was shot at an intact airplane.
The BUK Missiles use a high explosive - fragmentation warhead. Probably contains steel balls.
For all we know, those pictures could be from one of the other planes that were shot down. Cargo planes.
Woah. Talk about jumping to conclusions. Let’s let the investigation complete.
But now they want us to believe that a ground attack jet probably further away than 5 or 6KM shot bullets at it, making it explode and scattering body parts and pieces of plane for miles and miles.
The guy right above him giving him $#*+ and calling him “Ivan” joined 25 days ago.
The former posts conspiracy trash from blogs that only idiots can believe, the latter correctly identifies him as "Ivan." My money is on him being a Russian troll considering his posting history too.
30mm rounds are explosive. There would not be neat little holes in the aircraft skin. There would be big giant holes. Anti-aircraft missiles have proximity triggers that cause the warhead to explode, impacting the target with shrapnel.
Hence the final level of stupidity. If this could be proven, the Russkies would have already delivered the parts instead of looting them. It was the Russkies, not the Ukrainians, who sawed the cockpit in half and destroyed most of the evidence. The obvious being so that the steel balls from a Buk would not be found, and they can make up any stories they wanted due to a lack of physical evidence.
An airplane flying at 30,000 feet can be brought down by guns?
Wow...who knew? I’ll never fly again.
I saw a news report early on which featured some guy who was a big authority on this stuff, with previous professional involvement. He started to say, it was “probably” Russian operatives who did it, then said, “Well, in fact it is a Russian operation.” Check. Think about it. Why do they need schlubs?
~The GSh-30-2 is carried by the Sukhoi Su-25 ground attack plane and in external gun pods. It measures 2044 × 222 × 195 mm, with a barrel length of 1500 mm and a weight of 105 kg.
But the final proof can be obtained only if the investigators can trace the same bullet, or the same pattern of bullets, through both sides of the cockpit. That would be possible only if the bullets (or the shrapnel of the missile’s warhead) was shot at an intact airplane.~
Su-25 has a history of downing commercial airliners back to earlier 1990s when a Muslim officer of Soviet AF went rogue, conspired with Azeri government and spent a few days interdicting Armenian air traffic.
On the other hand it’s shells are 30-mm HE and it leaves nothing similar to bullet holes on it’s target. There are anti-tank armor piercing loads as well but it doesn’t look like a round of choice to take on an aircraft.
Not to mention Ukraine still have plenty of Fulcrums and Flankers, some might be flyable, which are more suitable for a role.
Welcome to FR comrade.
FOAD
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