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Unintended consequences: More high school math, science linked to more dropouts
Phys Org ^ | 01 August 2014

Posted on 08/04/2014 12:25:17 PM PDT by Lorianne

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To: Resolute Conservative
The world needs ditch diggers too...

Unfortunately for these students ditch digging in this country is becoming a semi-skilled profession (Class A or B CDL). Very few people dig ditches in this country with a shovel, Gradalls and trackhoes are used now.

41 posted on 08/04/2014 2:26:42 PM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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To: Lorianne

If we want our education system to match that of other countries, we’ll need to find out what those other countries do to keep THEIR students from dropping out.

It’s sad that there’s no measure on the other end of the scale - how many students received an adequate eduation as a result of the change in standards? The brighter students were being kept down to ensure the lowest rungs “passed.” But that harms their futures. When the standards were improved, how did it impact those upper rung students’ ability to find work and functionm regardless of race? How about the lower students who didn’t drop out but actually achieved the new requirements? How did it impact their futures?
Tiers were regarded as racist but are needed to ensure that the brighter students are challenged as well as providing those who will drop out rather than face rigorous requirements with the basic literacy skills they are willing to achieve.


42 posted on 08/04/2014 2:31:55 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Lorianne

Unless you are a design engineer of various disciplines a working knowledge of 3,4,5 right triangle and the area of parallelograms, circles and triangles will get you through life just fine.


43 posted on 08/04/2014 2:34:42 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Lorianne

Bumping into the bell curve.


44 posted on 08/04/2014 2:37:04 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: roadcat
Call me racist...

You are not racist, you are telling the truth.

45 posted on 08/04/2014 3:03:03 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: T-Bird45
An example would be learning the algebra and geometry skills to be proficient in doing materials estimates for construction and metal fabrication, i.e. having a hands-on component to make the connection from the physical world to manipulating it in the mind.

I quite agree. If students don't see any practical application to the subjects they are studding they just glaze over and tune out.

The problem is that they are going to need many of these tools later in life and we do a miserable job connecting class and homework assignments with real world outcomes.

46 posted on 08/04/2014 3:09:15 PM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: Usagi_yo
So everybody has to be dumbed down for the short bus kids?
I have teachers in the family. Their biggest complaint - mainstreaming mentally challenged students who hold the entire class back.
47 posted on 08/04/2014 4:02:46 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Lorianne
In a sense, the US already has a track system - remedial, regular, and honors - with more freedom/flexibility than the European system. Individuals can choose their level of challenge at the course level, which allows a customized education. This means that an individual can take courses that balance their competencies and desires.

The European system that you're talking about is more rigid in movement. A single test divides people into fixed tracks, which all but set your final path in life. While one can move upward (if you can afford it in terms of lost time), it does not necessarily permit mixtures.

In order for trades to return, one must overcome the practice that trades are:
• treated similarly to unskilled labor within the United States.
• not necessarily considered as skilled labor outside this country, putting them at a disadvantage.

48 posted on 08/04/2014 4:11:57 PM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: Vinylly

Many students in high school are not qualified to be in high school.


49 posted on 08/04/2014 5:15:31 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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50 posted on 08/04/2014 5:19:28 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Homer1

Someone else on the thread mentioned that being a ditch-digger is becoming a semi-skilled profession since no one really uses manual labor with shovels anymore.

It’s the same with a lot of garbagemen. The trucks that they drive have to be operated by someone who has some skill with hydraulics. You can’t put a brain-dead person behind the wheel of these modern trash trucks.

There is our problem: the school system is producing idiots, PLUS there is a societal element of people who don’t even WANT to learn. What do you do with them?


51 posted on 08/04/2014 5:23:12 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: knittnmom

+!


52 posted on 08/06/2014 5:38:33 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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