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A PEACEMAKER WHO NEVER HAD IT EASY [A Stirring Tribute To Nixon]
The American Spectator ^ | August 9, 2014 | Ben Stein

Posted on 08/10/2014 9:00:22 PM PDT by Steelfish

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To: antidisestablishment

I would agree (to some degree) with everything you said except the paranoia.

Paranoia an unreasonable or illogical basis for thinking someone has it out for you.

There is no doubt at all that the liberals and the media had it out for Richard Nixon.

As for various other things, there is no single politician/president who is going to be perfectly aligned with the things that many of us on the right desire.

Even Reagan, who was, by far, the best modern president of the 20th Century, had his faults and missteps. Many of us on the right might fault Reagan for not laying waste to various parts of the Middle East, or for cutting and running from Beirut, or agreeing to immigration reforms, etc.

That said, your criticism of Nixon is valid with respect to China, though at the time it was seen by many (not only in the USA, but abroad) as the right thing to do. I happen to agree with you that China has never had to account for the bloodshed of their own citizens in “The Great Leap Forward”, which makes the Nazis look like pikers by comparison, and that our opening of ties with them the way it went down did allow them to sidestep all of that.

As for being the perfect leftist straw man, it is simply the left.

If a straw man or an object of hate doesn’t exist, they have to create one. After all, you can’t have a Two Minutes Hate without Emmanuel Goldstein. And liberalism must have its Goldstein, whether, Nixon, Reagan, Bush or anyone else, they must have one, and with the ready assistance of the media, they always get one.


21 posted on 08/11/2014 8:04:12 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Anyone who will shift their stance so fluidly in the pursuit of support isn't worth supporting.")
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To: Pelham

We might say the same thing of Reagan and the Middle East. But I know what you mean.


22 posted on 08/11/2014 8:05:09 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Anyone who will shift their stance so fluidly in the pursuit of support isn't worth supporting.")
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To: Chainmail

What you summed up in your post is pretty much how I have always felt about Nixon and about how he ended up resigning.

It was the true beginning of what we see now, the leftist radicals in charge.


23 posted on 08/11/2014 8:07:53 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Anyone who will shift their stance so fluidly in the pursuit of support isn't worth supporting.")
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To: rlmorel

I agree that he had legitimate concerns, but I also believe he became obsessed to the point of irrationality. Yes, straw men are regularly manufactured, but unfortunately, Nixon gave them the basis for decades of propaganda.


24 posted on 08/11/2014 10:12:39 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Islam delenda est)
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To: rlmorel

I wouldn’t equate Reagan with Nixon. Reagan realized that he was in danger of letting mission creep draw the United States into a multi-sided Lebanese Civil War with no clear goal, so he put an end to it.

Nixon inherited the already raging Vietnam war and ran in 1968 saying that ‘new leadership will end the war’.

Nixon began by stopping the bombardment of North Vietnam and initiating peace talks in Paris. And he began reducing American military strength in South Vietnam in his “Vietnamization’ program.

It wasn’t until 1972 that Nixon allowed Operation Linebacker to begin. Linebacker was a continuous bombing campaign against supply depots and supply lines in Hanoi and Haiphong, the first since 1968.

The bombing was hard enough to get Hanoi to return to the peace talks, as if that were a big victory, but not hard enough to defeat them. The campaign was hamstrung by Henry Kissinger’s insistence that it not be allowed to jeopardize his ongoing Strategic Arms Limitation Talks with the Soviets.

In my view Nixon was not much better than Lyndon Johnson. He allowed the war to sputter on at a high cost in American casualties without any plan for inflicting enough damage on North Vietnam to defeat them. For his first four years he allowed NVN’s supply lines to remain open. The peace treaty he eventually signed left a Communist field army operational in the south. At best he was shooting for a status quo ante like was done in Korea, which would have required an endless US presence to guarantee.


25 posted on 08/11/2014 1:41:19 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: Pelham

I understand what you are saying, but I wasn’t equating Nixon and Reagan, but pointing out that every President has had less than desirable outcomes.

Some, obviously, more than others, as the current President provides an example.


26 posted on 08/11/2014 2:22:19 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Anyone who will shift their stance so fluidly in the pursuit of support isn't worth supporting.")
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To: rlmorel

Well Obama is pushing Lyndon Johnson out of his spot as Worst Modern American President, assuming that we want to call Barky “American”.

Shoot, Barky is in the running for All Time Worst President. We should enjoy the show as the country and the world burn around us.


27 posted on 08/11/2014 2:52:36 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: billhilly

Sorry for not clarifying my comment. The Democratic Jewish who have been the majority of American Jews for most of my life hated Nixon. There have always been Republican and Conservative Jewish who reason with logic and are wonderful people.
Again, I am sorry for not being clear with my comment, and thank you for bringing that to my attention.


28 posted on 08/11/2014 2:53:01 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Pelham

It is amazing. I never thought I would see this in my life.


29 posted on 08/11/2014 4:01:14 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Anyone who will shift their stance so fluidly in the pursuit of support isn't worth supporting.")
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To: Dixie Yooper

Your post makes sense and I was pretty myopic myself. For some reason I have always been a defender of President Nixon. I saw him up close and differently than the image we all have been sold. The first date my wife and I had was to his first Inaugural.


30 posted on 08/11/2014 4:43:21 PM PDT by billhilly (Its OK, the left hated Bush.)
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To: billhilly
You were right in bringing my poorly chosen words to my attention. I was 16 when all that happened. My father stuck with him until they started playing the contents of the tapes. He was shocked by Nixon's foul language and conniving personality in The Oval Office during the cover-up talk. He never cared much for people who swore during any conversation, and to hear that going on in The Oval Office, pushed him to say “I guess he's a crook after all”. Of course, he was really disgusted with the Clinton/Lewinsky thing, when that all happened. My father passed away in 2003, before the nation was paying any attention to Obama. I can't tell you the number of times my 90 year old mother said “I'm glad Dad never lived long enough to see this guy in office. This is no longer the country he fought in WWII for!”
31 posted on 08/11/2014 6:03:15 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: rlmorel

We do live in privileged times. Sort of. Like being around to watch the collapse of Rome.


32 posted on 08/11/2014 8:57:18 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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