Posted on 08/12/2014 2:13:02 PM PDT by BeauBo
"This time, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon are preparing action a lot tougher than limited air strikes in response to Palestinian rocket fire of any intensity. They know that public patience has run out and will no longer tolerate a return to the situation that leaves Hamas holding the initiative to shoot rockets or not.
Not only the public, but the army too will no longer (be) put off with half-measures and is ready to fight Hamas until it is no longer capable of harassing Israel with threats of violence."
(Excerpt) Read more at debka.com ...
Good for Israel. Ham-ass must be completely, 100% eradicated from Gaza.
No matter what action Israel takes to protect itself from Hamas, the usual haters will be outraged. Might as well nuke ‘em and be done with it.
Hopefully, hamas and their gazanian supporters will cease to exist. Signed: Civilization.
Why does anybody link to or bother with DEBKA. They just make stuff up out of thin air. This may or may not be true, flip a coin. At the moment it looks much more like Israel wants to do a deal to end the Gaza conflict.
Debka is a Middle Eastern (Israeli) source. In the Middle East, deliberate misinformation is widely practiced, and juicy paranoid rumors are just too good hold back.
In my opinion, Debka will sometimes indulge in this, or be used for this purpose, perhaps by some political or intelligence organizations.
Nonetheless, they are close to the action in Israel, which is a small population. When you are circulating among defense, foreign policy and Intel circles in such a small country, you are bound to pick up valid rumors as well as bad.
Definitely, take what they say with a grain of salt, especially when they are discussing events in other countries in the region. They have been an early indicator of shifts in Israeli operations during this Gaza conflict though, at least earlier than the Western media.
Let’s test it out, and watch to see what happens in the 24-72 hours after the cease fire expires Wednesday night.
I have been an advocate of a lightning decapitation strike on Hamas HQ under the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City - big thermobaric explosions down every entrance, and back to base for the next meal, to watch the Navy bombard all their coastal mansions. Rattle their cage hard, and fill the sky with drones while they scurry.
So far, I have been disappointed by the lack of a strategic victory against Hamas. Their is no substitute for victory. Gaza has fallen from the spotlight, given what is happening in Iraq, but there is no agreement there, the Egyptians continue to advocate more decisive action, and rockets continue to threaten Israel.
Let’s see if Debka is right, calling a near term ramp up of aggressiveness against Hamas after this cease fire.
While there is some tit for tat right now as the previous ceasefire expired, it looks to me like the gist of the DEBKA article was dead wrong. It appears that Israel is generally looking to agree to a new 5 day ceasefire. Situation is still fluid as I type this.
So far, I have been disappointed by the lack of a strategic victory against Hamas.
Perhaps you are assuming incorrectly that Israel actually wants to destroy Hamas. I would suggest that Israel is far more interested, at this time anyway, at just degrading them and leaving them to govern and provide services in Gaza. I think the outcome they'd like is to continue squeezing them along with Egypt and let Hamas flame out on their own and have the PA return triumphantly.
In my opinion, Debka will sometimes indulge in this, or be used for this purpose, perhaps by some political or intelligence organizations.
I think they just make stuff up. Over the years they have proven to be not only wrong, but spectacularly wrong over and over again. You and I know nothing is as it seems in the Middle East, and it seems to be that DEBKA often simply fabricates nonsense out of thin air - and when they sometimes get something right it is no more than the same educated guesses we could make.
We'll all watch and see how things develop.
ISIS flags have been seen in Gaza and even in Israeli towns where arabs live.
Destroy Hamas and ISIS could be running Gaza
Yup, I think that is one concern. My guess is Israel will do what it normally does under such situations - find out all it can about the ISIS types (or anyone more radical than Hamas) and passes the information on to Egyptian intelligence with the intention that they in turn will give it to Hamas. Hamas is pretty brutal about killing any actual rivals, so they are just as likely to use every shred of information they can get to kill ISIS flag wavers.
As said, nothing is what it appears in the Middle East.
Well to close the loop, it looks like Debka’s projection of an imminent Israeli ground incursion did not happen - strike against Debka credibility.
Projection is always vulnerable to changing conditions - maybe Obama administration actions, like cutting off critical ammo resupply, drove them to hold fire.
Or maybe the threat of a big blow was just psyops, to favorably influence the negotiations that were about to begin in Cairo.
Or maybe Debka was just blowing it out their butt...
Anyhow, just wanted to own up, after having said let’s wait and see. You were right.
Things will no doubt change again in the future, and they may yet crush Hamas, who badly needs crushing.
This.
DEBKA is rarely right. It's been posted here and elsewhere for years as a source and has almost become something of a joke. I'd say DEBKA is a few people sitting around making educated guesses - and mostly bad ones.
It's been very obvious that Bibi did not want to send troops into Gaza for any longer than he had too. The tunnels was all he felt he could do without major casualties. As of today another cease fire deal has been inked and Bibi's poll numbers have tanked.
People on this forum and generally in the US have this idea that Netanyahu is this war hawk tough guy, but in reality he is very cautious and tends to be more of a "speak loudly and look for the easiest way out" camp. Many in Israel consider this fight against Hamas as having been a loss. Netanyahu may pay a steep price for letting things end this way since Hamas can legitimately claim some small achievements as far as border crossings, fishing rights, etc.
I guess that I am trending with the Israeli public then, because I thought that Bibi would be tough, and am disappointed by this lost opportunity.
Finish the job, stop with the half-assed measures. Everyone who hates Israel is still going to hate them no matter what.
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