Posted on 08/14/2014 9:47:19 PM PDT by Technical Editor
On August 8, the Oriental Bishops called on Islamic leaders to issue Fatwas against the genocide committed against Christians and Yazidis in Iraq by the group that calls itself the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.
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Extensive links in rest of article at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2014/08/muslim-leaders-join-in-condemnation-of-isis/#ixzz3AQtX2EKz
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/12/vatican-iraq/13946961/
My comment: Where are they? Why do they keep silent? Does their silence not convey a message of its own? In the face of such silence, is it any wonder that people have come to conclusions that indict the whole Muslim world and not just the radicals? What are Muslims who are not radicals afraid of -- that the radicals will come after THEM? This state of affairs will never do; something has got to give before the decent people of the world defend themselves in such a way that many Muslims will not like.
Who would believe any Islamist?
The headline of the article about the pope’s call is:
“Vatican to Muslim leaders: Condemn Iraq barbarity”
My comment is in response to that:
My comment: Where are they? Why do they keep silent? Does their silence not convey a message of its own? In the face of such silence, is it any wonder that people have come to conclusions that indict the whole Muslim world and not just the radicals? What are Muslims who are not radicals afraid of — that the radicals will come after THEM? This state of affairs will never do; something has got to give before the decent people of the world defend themselves in such a way that many Muslims will not like.
I understand “Islamist” to mean “radical Muslim.” The pope’s call was not to Islamists and neither was that of the Oriental Bishops.
Then we can have a national debate on whether Islam can exist alongside Christianity and the Western world.
http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-scholars-condemn-expulsion-iraqs-christian-brothers-120656878.html
Islamic scholars condemn expulsion of Iraq’s ‘Christian brothers’
Reuters
July 23, 2014 11:16 AM
DOHA (Reuters) - An influential group of Islamic scholars has denounced the forced expulsion of Christians from northern Iraq by Islamist hardliners, saying it paves the way for fighting between the country’s ethnic and religious groups.
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The Christian community of Mosul fled to the Kurdish autonomous region last week, ending a presence stretching back nearly 2,000 years, after Islamic State militants set them a deadline to submit to their rule or leave. [ID:nL6N0PU0DK]
“The International Union of Muslim Scholars (IUMS) condemns the forced expulsion of the Christian brothers of Iraq from their homes, cities and provinces,” the group said in a statement posted on the website of its leader, the influential cleric Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawi on Tuesday.
“These are acts that violate Islamic laws, Islamic conscience and leave but a negative image of Islam and Muslims.”
The IUMS, comprising senior Sunni religious scholars from around the world with links to more moderate factions of the Muslim Brotherhood, views the Islamic State, which has taken control of a swathe of northern Iraq, as being too extreme and says its doctrine contradicts the true teachings of Islam.
It has rejected the Islamic State’s declaration of a caliphate in Iraq and Syria as illegal under Muslim law, saying such a development can only be made after enough legitimate representatives of Muslim peoples have pledged their allegiance.
The Islamic State, an al Qaeda offshoot, relayed its ultimatum from mosque loudspeakers and spray painted Christian properties with the letter “N” for Nasrani, or Christian, residents said.
Fleeing Christians described being stopped by gunmen on the outskirts of Mosul and robbed of the goods they carried, suggesting the militants were implementing an order to Christians to leave behind all possessions.
The IUMS urged the Islamic State to allow Christians to return to their homes, saying the forced expulsion amounts to “spreading discord”, a serious crime in traditional Muslim law.
“They (Christians) are native sons of Iraq and not intruders,” it said. “The aim must be to bury discord, unite the ranks and solve Iraq’s problems, rather than thrusting it into matters that would further complicate the situation,” it added.
(Reporting by Sami Aboudi; Editing by Alison Williams)
Such a law would be unconstitutional. You can’t prejudge guilt of something by a law like that.
But if groups other than the Muslim scholars about whom I just posted an article don’t step forward, the conclusions I mentioned in my comment would hold true.
I would, and you would, and many people would, conclude that Muslims in general DO NOT CONDEMN the barbarians.
Then we will have to take action to protect ourselves and the powerless. But none of this can happen while Obama is in the White House.
Sounds like a drinking song....
Then he is a fool....
They never condemned 9/11 and the murder of almost 3,000 Americans!
Considering the fact that according to the Koran and Hadithas, lying and dissimulation are the highest value of Islam in dealing with “kafirs” (non-Muslims), how can one ever really know whether the public, though reluctant agreement of any Muslim, high rank or low, to join the religious leaders of other religions in condemning the genocide carried our by other Muslims is anything but the dissimulation du jour?
________’almost 3,000 Americans.’
May I ? - -
Guess it’s quicker to say that, and it’s said all the time, but there were other nationalities killed . . .
not just ‘almost 3,000 Americans.’
Probably makes these nationalities nuts to not be remembered - - -
Either this is deception on the part of the “Muslim leaders” OR the “wrong” sect of Islam is running ISIS and these Muslims are afraid of being the victims of these murdering savages. In either event, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The leaders opposed to ISIS need to ally with the Jews to destroy this virulent plague.
Islam is at a major crossroads with fast travel and internet contracting the time it takes for anything at all to happen. Fighting between Sunni and Shia and other offshoots that has gone on for more than a millenium is now possible in weeks and months. We had several hundred years of warfare between Catholics and Protestants, with Inquisitions and massacres before our own founding fathers realized that religion should be kept out of our government, and other sensible countries also adopted that point of view.
Is it possible that the dangers are so stark and rapid that Islam could achieve a level of live and let live that took Christianity hundreds of years to accomplish? Not to likely, but to be hoped for.
>>Updated: Muslim Leaders Join in Condemnation of ISIS<< - gotta see action. Lets see Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, Indonesia, Algeria, Tunisia, the Gulf states, Jordan, et al commit troops or anything tangible to fight IS. Don’t take me naive because I don’t believe these countries would, and that’s the point. Unless IS comes to their neighborhood to behead them.
Yes. I said resolution. Not law. I appreciate your post though.
Hot air more than deception. After over a decade of verbal garbage only fools would be deceived. See my other post here.
Not good enough!
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