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Must We Have a Dead White Kid?
Townhall.com ^ | August 15, 2014 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 08/15/2014 7:37:34 AM PDT by Kaslin

The facts that seem undisputed -- and in these situations that is so rare -- are that an unarmed 18-year-old named Michael Brown was walking in a street; an altercation occurred with a police officer; the officer gave chase to Mr. Brown after the scuffle and shot Mr. Brown at least once in the back, approximately 20 feet from where the scuffle occurred.

The police officer claims Mr. Brown tried to take the police officer's gun. Witnesses disagree. What is undisputed is by the time you read this, Mr. Brown, who worked his way through a bleak high school education in Ferguson, Missouri, would have been in a college classroom. He defied the odds of many young black men -- graduated from high school and would have started college last week, had he been alive. But he failed to beat the odds of young black men having bad encounters with police.

It is a painful discussion to have in the United States. Too many people profit from racial tension. The media profit by fanning flames and selling papers -- often making themselves the story. Activists in the black community profit by fanning flames of racial unrest and grievance. Activists in liberal circles fan the flames of privilege, class warfare, etc. Conservative activists fan the flames of rhetoric and push back.

Meanwhile, an 18-year-old is dead and everybody is yelling at each other. Facts become more and more disputed. It also becomes less likely that the real truth of what happened can be arrived at.

While conservatives tend to be law and order supporters, there is growing concern about the militarization of local police. Look to Ferguson, Missouri, where policemen who spend their days writing speeding tickets were clad in armor, behind helmets and shields, riding in armored personnel carriers with guns mounted on top.

Conservatives have long lamented the buildup of armaments and stockpiling of bullets by the Department of Homeland Security. The media has mostly treated these conservative concerns with derision. Suddenly, last week, when reporters were detained by the police in Ferguson, Missouri, the media had to pay attention to the militarization of the police and overkill by local police forces.

Given what happened in Ferguson, the community had every right to be angry. The police bungled their handling of the matter, became very defensive and behaved more like a paramilitary unit than a police force. Property damage and violence by the citizenry cannot be excused, but is also the result of a community seeing those who are supposed to protect and serve instead suiting up and playing soldier.

Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act in 1878 as Reconstruction came to end. The law ended the military's ability to enforce laws on domestic soil. The police had to be used. But since Sept. 11, 2001, many police departments in the country have turned themselves into mini-militaries. It used to be just a SWAT team ready to take on bad guys.

More and more, the police are suiting up to contain and control the population they are supposed to serve. Not a week goes by without encountering horrific stories of police abuse. In Dallas, Texas, the independent school district has a SWAT team. In New York, a man died after police put him in a chokehold for the high crime of selling cigarettes.

With the rise of terrorism in the United States, major metropolitan areas may need police trained to serve occasionally as paramilitary outfits. But not all police forces are major metropolitan areas.

The odds of a young white man being shot by the police in similar circumstances to Michael Brown are not as high as those of a young black man. But we should not need to have a young white man shot and killed for the rest of the nation to pay attention to the issue.

Just because Michael Brown may not look like you, should not immediately serve as an excuse to ignore the issues involved. Likewise, a media suddenly invested in stories of government overreach should not be dismissive of stories of bureaucrats, not just police, abusing the public trust.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: crimeandpunishment; ferguson; police; stlouis
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1 posted on 08/15/2014 7:37:34 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

We do, everyday. Here are two: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom


2 posted on 08/15/2014 7:38:40 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Kaslin

Erikson’s behind the curve on this one after the video from the store was released this morning. Even Don Lemon of CNN had to cover it.


3 posted on 08/15/2014 7:39:34 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Kaslin

Guess they haven’t seen the video of this upstanding honor student pushing around the much smaller employee of a convenience store in a strong arm robbery, which is why the cops were called in the first place.


4 posted on 08/15/2014 7:39:37 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Resolute Conservative

There are plenty more recent ones too. They are a footnote, if that, in the media. And when people came out to support the families of Newsome and Christian during the trial, they were called “the Klan” be the media. Of course, they weren’t looting and rioting, so they had to be “the Klan”.


5 posted on 08/15/2014 7:41:53 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: mrsmel

I suppose not. Fox News just showed it a few minutes ago


6 posted on 08/15/2014 7:42:37 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: mrsmel

In the 70’s, Houston PD was rife with shootings by cops with throw-down guns. Race was not an issue. People being pulled over were cautioned to find a lighted, populated area before stopping.

Just same stuff, just more publicity.


7 posted on 08/15/2014 7:43:09 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Kaslin

There have been white kids killed by police. It is just not nationally reported and white people don’t use the opportunity to riot and loot stores.


8 posted on 08/15/2014 7:44:45 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: txrefugee

The video was just released a little while ago. Not when Erickson wrote the article, which could have been late last night for all we know


9 posted on 08/15/2014 7:45:32 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

They could have held their fire before pushing this narrative, then. I’m not the media, I’m just a civilian with a computer, and I was able to find the story of this robbery yesterday.


10 posted on 08/15/2014 7:45:35 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Kaslin

The racists, Barack Obama and Eric Holder, will probably demand that an innocent white kid be shot every time a black thug is shot just to even out the body count.


11 posted on 08/15/2014 7:46:30 AM PDT by Iron Munro (A liberal: someone who thinks he knows more about your experience than you do.)
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To: txrefugee

Not only behind the curve, he’s taking part in the “meme” of the events as described by “witnesses” long before any real forensic investigation. The “shot in the back” could turn out to be from some other’s weapon or the person shot (any number of ballistics trajectories which would be borne out by true investigation).

This entire continuing internet scenario baiting and “what if” and “if” games need to stop. Now.

Political posturing now by ... black panthers? This is starting to come right out of the CPUSA handbook. This summer’s riot (last summer it was result of trayvon, remember— everyone’s darling child, not).

Above all— nothing from our dancing present...dent to calm a situation. No? That’s because his handlers want this to blow up, to continue Alinsky/Cloward Piven.
Such is the nature of the thugocracy put in place in the first election— corruptocrats, gangsters and frankly, morons.


12 posted on 08/15/2014 7:46:51 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Kaslin
"More and more, the police are suiting up to contain and control the population they are supposed to serve."

Despite the facts of this particular case, this is a very poignant statement.

13 posted on 08/15/2014 7:48:06 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Kaslin
What is undisputed is by the time you read this, Mr. Brown, who worked his way through a bleak high school education in Ferguson, Missouri, would have been in a college classroom....strong-arming kids for their milk money.
14 posted on 08/15/2014 7:49:09 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Rusty0604
The odds of a young white man being shot by the police in similar circumstances to Michael Brown are not as high as those of a young black man.

How many 18 year old 280# white guys have you seen scuffling with police lately?

15 posted on 08/15/2014 7:49:10 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Kaslin

My brother was white...and killed by the cops...he took 5 bullets in fact...


16 posted on 08/15/2014 7:49:14 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: rstrahan

I don’t say the cops aren’t becoming more militarized, etc. What I take issue with is the, every time, knee jerk reaction by the media that innocent little kid was just minding his business and hurting no one and nothing when the big bad cop just shot him because he could. They know what they’re doing, and if the broader public had any interest in knowing the truth, they would recognize this invariable pattern by the media by now. But no, everyone jumps on an opportunity to make it all about “racial profiling”, or whatever agenda they’re pushing before waiting for the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to come in.


17 posted on 08/15/2014 7:50:11 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Kaslin

White folks in general do not resist police officers the way that blacks do. Blacks are much more aggressive and just watch how they react when they outnumber those around them. How many whites do you see sucker punch old folks and pregnant women. I do not know why but blacks in general are much more vicious than other races. I know the slavery excuse and the way they are treated will be brought up but I do not buy that for one minute. Their leaders and the Democrats program them from birth to where they consider themselves to be victims.


18 posted on 08/15/2014 7:50:36 AM PDT by El Zoro
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To: Kaslin

Bad timing Mr. Erickson. St. Michael Brown may not be much of a Saint after all.


19 posted on 08/15/2014 7:51:45 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Resolute Conservative

And for that matter, we’ve already innocent white kids-like the kid with the BB gun-shot by cops, but I don’t recall the media rushing to judgement ahead of the facts to get in the “he was a good kid” narrative going, because they know what’s coming and have to delay or obstruct it. For that matter, the media doesn’t bother it’s pretty little airhead at all when it’s a white kid who was shot by a cop.


20 posted on 08/15/2014 7:52:02 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Psalm 73

Police in my opinion are suiting up for what is coming to America.


21 posted on 08/15/2014 7:53:11 AM PDT by El Zoro
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To: Kaslin
More and more, the police are suiting up to contain and control the population they are supposed to serve. Not a week goes by without encountering horrific stories of police abuse. In Dallas, Texas, the independent school district has a SWAT team. In New York, a man died after police put him in a chokehold for the high crime of selling cigarettes.

Didn't B Hussein 0bama say we need a civilian force with the powers of the military? Could this be what he meant?

22 posted on 08/15/2014 7:56:40 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: txrefugee

He should be embarrassed, but probably won’t be.


23 posted on 08/15/2014 7:57:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: mrsmel

I agree that there should be an arrest for robbery. At what point do you shoot people for robbery, though? Do the police have the right to shoot people in the back for fleeing?

If the perp was struggling for the gun, then the cop is in immediate danger. Shoot away. Once the suspect starts to flee, what then? Does the perp represent enough of a danger to society that he should be shot? Should he just be chased down? More cops called? Wait for him to show up at a hospital?

I hate punks and gangbangers, but at some point we have to decide whether we want Judge Dredd roaming our streets or Barney Frank.


24 posted on 08/15/2014 7:58:20 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Rusty0604
There have been white kids killed by police. It is just not nationally reported and white people don’t use the opportunity to riot and loot stores.

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

25 posted on 08/15/2014 7:59:01 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Kaslin

I think the author of this article is hoping to write an updated version of “Bonfire of the Vanities.” Or at least be the new Peter Fallow...


26 posted on 08/15/2014 8:01:06 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Kaslin
What about the baby in critical condition because a swat team member threw a flash bang device in his crib. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/toddler-critically-burned-during-swat-raid/nf9SJ/

Here is a white, completely innocent child whose life, if he survives, will be a struggle from now on.

Why don't we riot about that or the many other abuses the media chooses not to flog?

Or are only black children worth the media's time?

As far as I can tell, the color doesn't matter unless someone wants to make it an issue. That the black teen was shot nine times while he was on the ground is criminal. Unless ALL abuses are treated equally, nothing will ever be done to amend the problems the US has with out of control officers.

This isn't a black and white problem. This is an us versus them problem that is occurring nationwide and fomented by whatever aberration in attitude has taken place.

As my mother would say, pull your socks up and deal with the real problem.

27 posted on 08/15/2014 8:04:10 AM PDT by OpusatFR (I did make that. No one else did the work.)
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To: YankeeReb

Google Zac Champonnier. No riots.


28 posted on 08/15/2014 8:05:39 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: BenLurkin

This statement makes me want to puke. Painting a violent thug as a heroic, would -be valedictorian.


29 posted on 08/15/2014 8:16:44 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: bolobaby
Does the perp represent enough of a danger to society that he should be shot? Should he just be chased down? More cops called? Wait for him to show up at a hospital?

But, once again, you are taking the statements of the witnesses as the whole truth - when we already know that their statements were NOT truthful.

This "kid" was just involved in a robbery, where physical force was used against the clerk, THEN, this "kid" attacked an armed police officer, in a marked car, through the window - does that not sound like someone who is a threat to the general public? Or do you think he is just going to jog home and never do anything illegal nor harm anyone again?

If, IF, this cop shot Brown, with his arms in the air, while on his knees (as the not-so-truthful witnesses have stated), then the cop needs to be charged with MURDER! Otherwise, I feel that this cop was doing his job.
30 posted on 08/15/2014 8:20:44 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Kaslin

What an absolutely stupid column. White kids have been and will continue to be shot and killed by cops. Where I live, the case of Michael Bell got a little bit of local publicity. Similar to Brown, supposedly Bell tried to take the police officers weapon and ended up getting shot and killed. Unlike Brown, Bell hadn’t robbed a store beforehand. The Kenosha police department settled a federal lawsuit out of court for about $1.8 million to Bell’s family.


31 posted on 08/15/2014 8:33:39 AM PDT by vekzen
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To: El Zoro

“I do not know why but blacks in general are much more vicious than other races.”

To answer your own question all you have to do is to look at the history and current events on the continent of Africa. They are still 100 years behind the rest of the world. Killings, genocide, drugs, killing someone because the person ran over one of the family chickens, etc.....I could go on and on.


32 posted on 08/15/2014 8:34:33 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: Kaslin
What is undisputed is by the time you read this, Mr. Brown, who worked his way through a bleak high school education in Ferguson, Missouri, would have been in a college classroom.

What is undisputed is that Mr Erickson is full of crap.

Unless Mr Brown was doing a research paper on nicking Swisher Sweet cigars.

33 posted on 08/15/2014 8:39:10 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Kaslin

What an absolutely stupid column. White kids have been and will continue to be shot and killed by cops. Where I live, the case of Michael Bell got a little bit of local publicity. Similar to Brown, supposedly Bell tried to take the police officers weapon and ended up getting shot and killed. Unlike Brown, Bell hadn’t robbed a store beforehand. The Kenosha police department settled a federal lawsuit out of court for about $1.8 million to Bell’s family.


34 posted on 08/15/2014 8:43:48 AM PDT by vekzen
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To: Kaslin

Whites are killed by blacks every day. It’s “dog bites man.” Not even news.


35 posted on 08/15/2014 8:44:20 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Kaslin

God...another stupid white writer


36 posted on 08/15/2014 8:46:40 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: bolobaby

It’s in dispute that he was shot in the back now.


37 posted on 08/15/2014 8:50:32 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Kaslin

I’m a little suspicious about the timing of this robbery video. If Brown was a likely suspect in that crime, and that was the reason he was approached in the first place, why didn’t the PD say so all along? Something about this smells like a fat guy’s gym locker.


38 posted on 08/15/2014 9:00:36 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Kaslin
Mr. Brown should have watched this video before he decided to mouth off to the cop (warning, language):

Chris Rock ~ How Not To Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police

39 posted on 08/15/2014 9:04:18 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Jed Eckert

“STOP BREAKING THE LAW....A-HOLE!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbOtyWTRZ_g


40 posted on 08/15/2014 9:05:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kaslin

After seeing the pictures, at this time the “facts” are definitely in dispute.


41 posted on 08/15/2014 9:10:14 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: mrsmel
It’s in dispute that he was shot in the back now.

Although its not conclusive, the picture police have released of Mr Brown laying face down in the street does not reveal any evidence of a back wound.

42 posted on 08/15/2014 9:14:29 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: mrsmel
Guess they haven’t seen the video of this upstanding honor student pushing around the much smaller employee of a convenience store in a strong arm robbery, which is why the cops were called in the first place.

Is that video available somewhere? I'd like to see it.

43 posted on 08/15/2014 9:18:47 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (If you're on the same side of Ferguson as Al and Jesse, then you F-ed up somewhere. Rethink it dummy)
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To: Kaslin
A dead white kid? No. A dead rich white kid? Yes.
44 posted on 08/15/2014 9:24:49 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Kaslin

Just another bullshit article pointing fingers at everything but the real problem—

Black culture fosters, encourages and enables violent criminal behavior.


45 posted on 08/15/2014 9:25:44 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (If you're on the same side of Ferguson as Al and Jesse, then you F-ed up somewhere. Rethink it dummy)
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To: El Zoro
I do not know why but blacks in general are much more vicious than other races.

Because they come from single parent homes, and even the single parent is not providing any actual parenting. They join gangs for a sense of community and family. Basically, these punks are brought up by each other.

46 posted on 08/15/2014 9:33:10 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: Kaslin

The problem is HONKification.. whether black or white..
CNN is honk-i-fying another one.. (and should be SHOT)..


47 posted on 08/15/2014 10:02:13 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: ExTxMarine; mrsmel

Right, agreed. Let the facts come to light.

But if he *was* running, even if he assaulted the police officer, I think a different standard of force applies. Maybe send TJ Hooker chasing after him. That cop can catch any perp on the run.


48 posted on 08/15/2014 10:24:09 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: mrsmel
Everything needs to be examined. What distance was Brown from the cop? If there was a struggle, as it looks like there was, the cop could have shot Brown in the front and then Brown could have spun around as the officer continued shooting.

The facts are, we don't know all the facts. I certainly doubt the "eyewitness" accounts of a number of the people in the crowd who might have been friends of Brown or intimidated into giving false accounts.

49 posted on 08/15/2014 10:57:01 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Cubs Fan
"black culture"

While an investigation might show the cop to be in the wrong, the facts are there is so much violent crime in black-populated areas that incidents like this one are inevitable. Now just imagine a situation where a white kid struggles with a cop in a similar situation. Which has happpened recently. Does anyone believe whites would riot and burn businesses?

50 posted on 08/15/2014 11:00:11 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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