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Must We Have a Dead White Kid?
Townhall.com ^ | August 15, 2014 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 08/15/2014 7:37:34 AM PDT by Kaslin

The facts that seem undisputed -- and in these situations that is so rare -- are that an unarmed 18-year-old named Michael Brown was walking in a street; an altercation occurred with a police officer; the officer gave chase to Mr. Brown after the scuffle and shot Mr. Brown at least once in the back, approximately 20 feet from where the scuffle occurred.

The police officer claims Mr. Brown tried to take the police officer's gun. Witnesses disagree. What is undisputed is by the time you read this, Mr. Brown, who worked his way through a bleak high school education in Ferguson, Missouri, would have been in a college classroom. He defied the odds of many young black men -- graduated from high school and would have started college last week, had he been alive. But he failed to beat the odds of young black men having bad encounters with police.

It is a painful discussion to have in the United States. Too many people profit from racial tension. The media profit by fanning flames and selling papers -- often making themselves the story. Activists in the black community profit by fanning flames of racial unrest and grievance. Activists in liberal circles fan the flames of privilege, class warfare, etc. Conservative activists fan the flames of rhetoric and push back.

Meanwhile, an 18-year-old is dead and everybody is yelling at each other. Facts become more and more disputed. It also becomes less likely that the real truth of what happened can be arrived at.

While conservatives tend to be law and order supporters, there is growing concern about the militarization of local police. Look to Ferguson, Missouri, where policemen who spend their days writing speeding tickets were clad in armor, behind helmets and shields, riding in armored personnel carriers with guns mounted on top.

Conservatives have long lamented the buildup of armaments and stockpiling of bullets by the Department of Homeland Security. The media has mostly treated these conservative concerns with derision. Suddenly, last week, when reporters were detained by the police in Ferguson, Missouri, the media had to pay attention to the militarization of the police and overkill by local police forces.

Given what happened in Ferguson, the community had every right to be angry. The police bungled their handling of the matter, became very defensive and behaved more like a paramilitary unit than a police force. Property damage and violence by the citizenry cannot be excused, but is also the result of a community seeing those who are supposed to protect and serve instead suiting up and playing soldier.

Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act in 1878 as Reconstruction came to end. The law ended the military's ability to enforce laws on domestic soil. The police had to be used. But since Sept. 11, 2001, many police departments in the country have turned themselves into mini-militaries. It used to be just a SWAT team ready to take on bad guys.

More and more, the police are suiting up to contain and control the population they are supposed to serve. Not a week goes by without encountering horrific stories of police abuse. In Dallas, Texas, the independent school district has a SWAT team. In New York, a man died after police put him in a chokehold for the high crime of selling cigarettes.

With the rise of terrorism in the United States, major metropolitan areas may need police trained to serve occasionally as paramilitary outfits. But not all police forces are major metropolitan areas.

The odds of a young white man being shot by the police in similar circumstances to Michael Brown are not as high as those of a young black man. But we should not need to have a young white man shot and killed for the rest of the nation to pay attention to the issue.

Just because Michael Brown may not look like you, should not immediately serve as an excuse to ignore the issues involved. Likewise, a media suddenly invested in stories of government overreach should not be dismissive of stories of bureaucrats, not just police, abusing the public trust.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: crimeandpunishment; ferguson; police; stlouis
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To: Kaslin

After seeing the pictures, at this time the “facts” are definitely in dispute.


41 posted on 08/15/2014 9:10:14 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: mrsmel
It’s in dispute that he was shot in the back now.

Although its not conclusive, the picture police have released of Mr Brown laying face down in the street does not reveal any evidence of a back wound.

42 posted on 08/15/2014 9:14:29 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: mrsmel
Guess they haven’t seen the video of this upstanding honor student pushing around the much smaller employee of a convenience store in a strong arm robbery, which is why the cops were called in the first place.

Is that video available somewhere? I'd like to see it.

43 posted on 08/15/2014 9:18:47 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (If you're on the same side of Ferguson as Al and Jesse, then you F-ed up somewhere. Rethink it dummy)
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To: Kaslin
A dead white kid? No. A dead rich white kid? Yes.
44 posted on 08/15/2014 9:24:49 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Kaslin

Just another bullshit article pointing fingers at everything but the real problem—

Black culture fosters, encourages and enables violent criminal behavior.


45 posted on 08/15/2014 9:25:44 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (If you're on the same side of Ferguson as Al and Jesse, then you F-ed up somewhere. Rethink it dummy)
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To: El Zoro
I do not know why but blacks in general are much more vicious than other races.

Because they come from single parent homes, and even the single parent is not providing any actual parenting. They join gangs for a sense of community and family. Basically, these punks are brought up by each other.

46 posted on 08/15/2014 9:33:10 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: Kaslin

The problem is HONKification.. whether black or white..
CNN is honk-i-fying another one.. (and should be SHOT)..


47 posted on 08/15/2014 10:02:13 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: ExTxMarine; mrsmel

Right, agreed. Let the facts come to light.

But if he *was* running, even if he assaulted the police officer, I think a different standard of force applies. Maybe send TJ Hooker chasing after him. That cop can catch any perp on the run.


48 posted on 08/15/2014 10:24:09 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: mrsmel
Everything needs to be examined. What distance was Brown from the cop? If there was a struggle, as it looks like there was, the cop could have shot Brown in the front and then Brown could have spun around as the officer continued shooting.

The facts are, we don't know all the facts. I certainly doubt the "eyewitness" accounts of a number of the people in the crowd who might have been friends of Brown or intimidated into giving false accounts.

49 posted on 08/15/2014 10:57:01 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Cubs Fan
"black culture"

While an investigation might show the cop to be in the wrong, the facts are there is so much violent crime in black-populated areas that incidents like this one are inevitable. Now just imagine a situation where a white kid struggles with a cop in a similar situation. Which has happpened recently. Does anyone believe whites would riot and burn businesses?

50 posted on 08/15/2014 11:00:11 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Kaslin

Erick Erickson should wait for some actual facts before making conclusion of fact.

Brown just robbed a store. When the cop confronted him for being in the middle of the street, not knowing about the robbery, Brown could well have responded violently. He knew he just robbed a store and would have been expecting the police to try to apprehend him.

So when some white kid robs a store and then assaults a cop shortly after and the cop shoots him, I’m no going to be surprised or particularly outraged...


51 posted on 08/15/2014 2:03:53 PM PDT by DB
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To: bolobaby
My guess is Brown was shot during scuffle and then wandered off and died. The “witness” was his accomplice in a robbery minutes before and has no credibility. The evidence will speak for itself.
52 posted on 08/15/2014 2:07:39 PM PDT by DB
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To: Kaslin
Must We Have a Dead White Kid?

According to the data printed in the Indianapolis Star today; Nationwide; cops kill 3 white for every black...

And our local history is...

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/15/rise-attacks-police-officers-reflects-lingering-tensions/14101957/

53 posted on 08/15/2014 5:01:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Psalm 73
"More and more, the police are suiting up to contain and control the population they are supposed to serve."

"More and more, 'journalists' are spinning up to contain and control the information they are supposed to merely report."

54 posted on 08/15/2014 5:03:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I think both points are equally valid - but only the first can get us killed.


55 posted on 08/16/2014 8:33:16 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Kaslin

There is/was a huge federal investigation into Albuquerque shootings by law enforcement- several shootings that people say were unjustified and law enforcement cleared themselves for. It was even national news when the investigation was forced by people protesting. Funny thing, I remember seeing pictures of those that were possibly shot without justification and don’t remember any of them being black.

It is not that law enforcement shoots only blacks, it is that when people other than blacks are shot by law enforcement it is seldom considered news...as if it is not as important. I can remember countless stories of law enforcement shooting other than blacks that have been reported, but they do not get the same attention from politicians or the media.

Most blacks that are killed are killed by other blacks; but that doesn’t seem to be a real concern either. The only concern of media and politicians for many years seems to be when law enforcement shoots a black person.


56 posted on 08/16/2014 8:42:01 AM PDT by Tammy8
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