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Why Is It So Hard for Employers to Fill These Jobs?
The Daily Signal ^ | August 23, 2014 | Stephen Moore

Posted on 08/24/2014 6:54:55 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: BenLurkin; 2ndDivisionVet
Why is it so hard to fill these jobs?

Too many potheads.

The reason they are potheads is because young men no longer have opportunity or even hope.

I don't blame them for giving up.

This country has sent its women to work, which is a disgrace, and which I am certain runs against our evolved human nature.

Men are no longer seen as leaders, men are no longer seen as heads of households.

Women, who started out holding an equal share of the cards by virtue of evolution, now have all their original natural rights supplemented by arrogating the natural rights of men.

Our nation has been sold out for the sake of profit. We have been in a race to the bottom for fifty or more years.

Ours is a social disaster, and people are behaving the way they did in all previous social disasters: by surrendering to immediate gratification--sex, intoxicants, mindless distractions, violent behavior--instead of working toward a better future for themselves, because they have every reason to believe that as long as present trends continue, their future will only be worse.

121 posted on 08/24/2014 12:20:51 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: kabar

Not really. I work in Industrial Construction and Heavy Maintenance. We have a terrible time getting good welders, pipe fitters, lofting is almost a lost art...

We get high school graduates that can’t do basic math let alone the trig used in pipe and vessel lay out. I and others have had to teach them what the little lines between the numbers on a tape measure mean. They can’t do fractions that I learned in elementary school.

IMO, the wages are down due to the Fed inflating the currency. The higher than inflation ride in cost of healthcare and insurances has not helped either. These are mostly due to lack of real tort reform.


122 posted on 08/24/2014 12:41:44 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: kabar
Unless you increase wages, most families can’t survive without two parents working.

A family can survive without 4 cars, 5 television sets, a beach house and ordering takeout every night.

123 posted on 08/24/2014 12:44:03 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: kabar

I don’t really believe my anecdotal evidence disagrees with your statistical evidence but it don’t tell the whole story.

When you have a big construction job in a less populated area, two thirds of the labor is pulled from local and nearby companies. A third, however, is hired “off the bank” to make up the full number needed. What I have seen is that local farm boys and guys from small towns can’t cut these tough jobs, or don’t want to, or are just unable to make the effort to do what is required. So, out of immigrant populations, often transient, a population that doesn’t comprise 5% of the available work force, those immigrants make up 75% of that 33% that are hired for the full volume of the project.

A project that takes a high number of people in various trades with a 150 man work force has had about 800 cycle through as the various trades are used. Out of that 800, 520 are that two thirds that are in the area and your figures indicate that up to 75% are immigrants and that is 315. However, out of the 280 that are hired from local unemployed a disproportionate amount come from immigrants that “are willing to do the work” — an additional 210 of the 280 hired locally.

Therefore out of the 280 hired local, only 70 end up being local guys out of the itinerant workforce in the area. The rest of locals stay on welfare because they will not do this type of work or when they try, they turn out to be unsuited.

Are there places where factories want to set up and pay 12.00 per hour, there sure are and to hell with them. However, we have a large part of our workforce that is unsuitable for work and the specifics of the stories tell us why where the statistics don’t.


124 posted on 08/24/2014 1:01:35 PM PDT by KC Burke (Gowdy for Supreme Court)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In this little town of 20,000 people, there is quite a bit of light manufacturing industry. The local paper is full of ads for people with basic skills who can be trained. One local company president told me he'd hire anyone who would show up regularly and could pass a drug test. He still can't fill the job openings he has. I suspect this is true of a lot of towns in America.
125 posted on 08/24/2014 1:52:31 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Available from Amazon.)
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To: kabar
I don't know of a single job held by an illegal alien today that would otherwise be held be an American citizen. And that's based on the very broad assumption that every Mexican-looking guy I see working anywhere and speaking Spanish is an illegal alien.

Are you suggesting that the elimination of those programs would boost employment?

Yes, I am. It would do this in two ways: (1) it would remove a huge disincentive for many Americans to work; and (2) it would reduce the tax burden on American employers.

126 posted on 08/24/2014 1:54:09 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Age of Reason
Fifty years ago, a carpenter working in NYC could afford his own home in a decent neighborhood and could support a non-working wife and children. Pay blue collar workers enough to be able to live like that today, and you will find all the skilled help you need.

This gets to the heart of the issue right here. I contend that a carpenter working in NYC could afford his own home in a decent neighborhood, and could support a non-working wife and children -- just like he did fifty years ago.

One caveat, though, is that this carpenter would have to accept a standard of living that was the norm fifty years ago. That means an early 1960s-vintage car (if he even owns one), medical insurance that covers nothing more complicated than a broken arm, no cable TV, no cell phone, and no $250,000 undergraduate college education for his kids.

Oh -- and there's no Sloan-Kettering cancer treatment center or Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center, either.. If he is afflicted with anything like cardiovascular disease or cancer, he goes home and counts the weeks and days until he checks out.

127 posted on 08/24/2014 1:59:21 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: DManA

They have nothing to worry about, it is people with limited capacity such as you who should worry.


128 posted on 08/24/2014 3:21:07 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Born to Conserve

That’s how it always starts. Eventually it turns into killing the Jews.


129 posted on 08/24/2014 3:28:09 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

What are you saying? Do you want to kill Jews? I think there is something wrong with you.


130 posted on 08/24/2014 3:48:20 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Alberta's Child
I don't know of a single job held by an illegal alien today that would otherwise be held be an American citizen. And that's based on the very broad assumption that every Mexican-looking guy I see working anywhere and speaking Spanish is an illegal alien.

There are an estimated 22 million foreign born in our workforce, 8 million of whom are illegal aliens. Yes, there are plenty of jobs held by both legal immigrants and illegal aliens that could be filled by an American. Give me one job that can't be filled by an American.

Are There Really Jobs Americans Won’t Do? A detailed look at immigrant and native employment across occupations

his analysis tests the often-made argument that immigrants do only jobs Americans don't want. If the argument is correct, there should be occupations comprised entirely or almost entirely of immigrants (legal and illegal). But Census Bureau data collected from 2009 to 2011, which allows for detailed analysis of all 472 separate occupations, shows that there were only a handful of majority-immigrant occupations. Thus, there really are no jobs that Americans won't do. Further, we estimated the share of occupations that are comprised of illegal immigrants, and found that there are no occupations in which the majority of workers are illegally in the country.

Of the 472 civilian occupations, only six are majority immigrant (legal and illegal). These six occupations account for 1 percent of the total U.S. workforce. Moreover, native-born Americans still comprise 46 percent of workers even in these occupations.

We find that there are no occupations in the United States in which a majority of workers are illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants work mostly in construction, cleaning, maintenance, food service, garment manufacturing, and agricultural occupations. However, the overwhelming majority of workers even in these areas are native-born or legal immigrants.

When AZ implemented its tough laws requiring businesses to use E-verify, many of the jobs in the fast foods business came open and were filled by Americans. The same thing happened in Alabama. And there are many examples elsewhere.

Thousands of area residents converged on McDonald's restaurants across metro Atlanta on Tuesday, hoping to land something some of them hadn't seen in more than three years: A job.

The fast-food chain announced last week that it would hire 50,000 people around the U.S. – at least 1,000 in metro Atlanta – and job-seekers lined up at McDonald's Atlanta-area restaurants to vie for an opportunity.

At the Candler Road store in Decatur, more than 100 people were lined up to apply for jobs by 7 a.m. and, two hours later, more than 300 already had applied for positions as crew members and managers.

Yes, I am. It would do this in two ways: (1) it would remove a huge disincentive for many Americans to work; and (2) it would reduce the tax burden on American employers.

You fail to indicate how this would create jobs. What happens to the loss of revenue to businesses due to the elimination of food stamps? What happens to doctors and hospitals that no longer receive Medicaid payments? By law, hospitals must still treat patients who come into the ER. There are 80 million people on Medicaid. A significant number of them are in nursing homes and those numbers will increase as our population increases. Do you really believe we can eliminate Medicaid and food stamps? Where is the political will to do that?

109,631,000 Americans lived in households that received benefits from one or more federally funded "means-tested programs" — also known as welfare — as of the fourth quarter of 2012, according to data released Tuesday by the Census Bureau.

What did taxpayers give to the 109,631,000 — the 35.4 percent of the nation — getting welfare benefits at the end of 2012?

82,679,000 of the welfare-takers lived in households where people were on Medicaid, said the Census Bureau. 51,471,000 were in households on food stamps. 22,526,000 were in the Women, Infants and Children program. 20,355,000 were in household on Supplemental Security Income. 13,267,000 lived in public housing or got housing subsidies. 5,442,000 got Temporary Assistance to Needy Families. 4,517,000 received other forms of federal cash assistance.

When those receiving benefits from non-means-tested federal programs — such as Social Security, Medicare, unemployment and veterans benefits — were added to those taking welfare benefits, it turned out that 153,323,000 people were getting federal benefits of some type at the end of 2012.

Businesses that are hiring illegal aliens are privatizing the profits and socializing the costs. Illegal aliens cost over $100 billion a year in just education, healthcare, and incarceration costs. And immigrants, legal and illegal, send over $123,273,000,000 in remittances from United States to other countries in 2012.

131 posted on 08/24/2014 5:26:06 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

$123 trillion here and $123 trillion there and pretty soon we are talking real money!


132 posted on 08/24/2014 5:27:45 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: kabar
You fail to indicate how this would create jobs. What happens to the loss of revenue to businesses due to the elimination of food stamps? What happens to doctors and hospitals that no longer receive Medicaid payments? By law, hospitals must still treat patients who come into the ER. There are 80 million people on Medicaid. A significant number of them are in nursing homes and those numbers will increase as our population increases. Do you really believe we can eliminate Medicaid and food stamps? Where is the political will to do that?

This item in your response -- which is a classic illustration of Keynesian economics -- is exactly what is behind this push to flood the country with tens of millions of new immigrants.

These people aren't being brought here for their labor. They're being brought here to serve as "customers" for every industry and government agency that employs people in this country. In effect, they're being brought here to replace the 50+ million Americans we've killed off since Roe v. Wade.

There's no reason to lament the destruction of a nation that has done so much to cause its own demise.

133 posted on 08/24/2014 5:33:18 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: GeronL; kabar

LOL. I think that was supposed to be “billion,” but I guess y’all know that.


134 posted on 08/24/2014 5:34:27 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

yes, but it’s funny.

Trillions and trillions served!


135 posted on 08/24/2014 5:35:09 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

And bazillions more where that came from! LOL.


136 posted on 08/24/2014 5:36:43 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child
They're being brought here to serve as "customers" for every industry and government agency that employs people in this country. In effect, they're being brought here to replace the 50+ million Americans we've killed off since Roe v. Wade.

I've long said that the absence of 50+ million unborn children would create a gap in our economy that would be unfillable. That "gap" is 50+ million fewer TAXPAYERS funding things like medicare, medicaid and Social Security.

So now our stupid Government in its infinite wisdom (/sarc) has decided to fill that "gap" by bringing in low-skilled/unskilled uneducated immigrants from third world countries who will be net effect TAX TAKERS that will not contribute a single meaningful dollar to the economy.

Effing brilliant. (/sarcasm)

137 posted on 08/24/2014 5:42:29 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Rodamala
Households with children ought not have both parents slaving away outside the home to be able to afford having children. Bring back the stay at home mom.

My charming and delightful wife is a stay at home mom and has been since our oldest son was three years old in 1999. Our two sons are now both in high school (sophmore and senior.) She's home until the youngest is out of high school and into college. There are ALOT of sacrifices to be made to have mom stay at home to make sure the kids are "kept in line" and brought up properly. Not everyone chooses to make that sacrifice and our society is OBVIOUSLY much worse off for it.

Mom staying at home means we drive older cars, don't take lavish vacations and don't have the "best of everything" but we have things that money can't pay for: two sons who are fine young men of character and integrity who do well in school, choose their friends wisely and don't get into trouble.

That's priceless.

138 posted on 08/24/2014 5:47:37 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative
The bad news is that a lot of them will probably end up as "takers" in the U.S. economy.

The good news is that our fiscal house is in such terrible shape that they're likely to be "taking" from the holders of U.S. government bonds that will pay very little interest and probably won't end up getting paid off anyway.

You're watching a perfect case study of how an empire declines.

139 posted on 08/24/2014 5:48:26 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child
I'm 52. I'm only working 3 more years and after that I plan on being the biggest pain in the ass to this Government that they've ever seen.

"Going Galt" is going to be a walk in the park for me.

140 posted on 08/24/2014 5:58:23 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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