Posted on 09/15/2014 7:56:23 AM PDT by mandaladon
We’ve seen three public polls of New Hampshire’s Senate race since July. WMUR put incumbent Democrat Jeanne Shaheen up by 2; YouGov put her up by 6.
And now:
BREAKING: New CNN-ORC poll in #NHSen race. @SenScottBrown: 48%, @SenatorShaheen: 48%, +/- 3.5%. 5:38 AM - 15 Sep 2014
Think about it, New Hampshire. You have the power in your hands… to make a Princeton professor eat a bug:
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
Stage a car accident on the main roads into NH.
Absentee ballot fraud has been the worst.
Nice thought.. but I trust Scoot Brown-D carpetbagger from mAss as far as you could throw Arlen Spector or Jim Jeffords, Dead or Alive.
If the Senate is tight and conservative, Scoot Brown will jump the R and head for D... just to be independent....his voting record was more for the Democrats than Republicans while in Mass...
Mark my words..... Us NH Conservatives will be like Mrs. Lincoln being asked “So, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”
Domiciled college students/election workers. We just have to beat them at this game and they will be sure to put a stop to it.
Till 24,000 or so same day registrations in NH using the domicile loop hole occur voting the Republican ticket is a maybe....or in the next primary cycle in ‘16, 7000 or so, show up and put in the real conservative candidate over the the GOPe chosen RINO, hurt the GOPe and it will be lightning fast!
Like Baker here in MA, Brown sucks. But compared to his opponent, who's also a hardcore Communist, is the lesser of the two evils.
Not really... they show ID and fill-out the same day registration forms, claim domicile at a local address in the voting district, and go vote. Facts are you can still vote in NH with zero ID... watched it during the primary election in Durham NH. Just a few more pages to fill out...took a young man I watched pull the stunt about 8 min from announcing I have no ID to ballot in hand... done. For kicks just go to Durham NH and watch...everyone votes one way or another...
The issue is when they vote in NH and MA as several people were busted for recently.
No matter, Brown will not win... the GOPe made sure of that by putting up Scoot and spending the last 3-4 years whacking the TEA Party/912 groups over the head locally.
Look at what happen in 2010.... the NH Republican Party put up a RINO for Governor....RINO lost by a huge margin but every other Republicant won huge including turn coat Ayotte
Plenty of people though Ayotte was a RINO then, and she won a landslide. Charlie "Small Mouth" Bass was doubtlessly a RINO and he won. The Republican nominee for Governor in 2010, John Stephen (who to my knowledge is fairly conservative) lost because the rat Governor Lynch was popular, Stephen did better than he otherwise would have because it was a good year for Republicans, he did better than Ovide Lahoweveryouspell it did 2 years later in an open seat race.
Since Shaheen's initial victory in 1996, the GOP has won the NH Governorship only once, with Craig Benson in 2002. Distressing rat stranglehold on the office.
Brown will lose but in the end that is what the Nation Republican Party wants... they want to be in 2nd Place
Put the crack pipe down, that stuff is bad for you.
“Not all conservatives are as counter-productively spiteful as you...”
Yep.
Impy... I don’t care what you feel about Brown. I am tired of the GOPe shoving mushy candidates my way while working day and night to kill of Conservatives... Frankly its people like you I can’t stand.. there will be no good from Brown, -D Carpetbagger from mAss holding office especially the US Senate.
Scott Brown, who has a voting record a mAss Democrat would proud of is not even close to being a Conservative...
Sorry but Ayotte was not considered a RINO she was on the edges of being a TEA Party type even with Juan McPain campaigning for her..the TEA Party supported both Ovide and Kelly.. Sarah Palin chose ovaries over the Conservative, Ovide. Sarahs input gave Ayotte the slight advantage and we are all now paying for it. You are truly clueless.
You just proved to all NH conservative you know little of NH politics... John Stephens was a true RINO, establishment chosen one and and Government bureaucrat who won the primary over the TEA party candidate by the thinnest of margins and probably with help from the Democrats pulling the independent registration shtick.. not too far off what is going in MS with Corcran..NH voters saw that and he was the only Republican that lost that year... Same thing will happen with Scoot Brown.
Expect the new Assault Weapons Ban and other reasonable gun control with Brown in the seat if he does win, which is a way long shot...If Smith was in, it would never happen... by the way Smith has always Fought the GOPe... Brown is the GOPe. I see discernment of facts is lacking... NH Conservatives will not vote for Brown, and NH Democrats put Brown up as the Republican candidate due to the open primary system abuse. NO way he will win... None.
And lets not forget what the NH GOP machine did to Benson when he went against a few RINO sponsored programs also known at the Pease Development Agency and its funding... they falsely accused him of cheating on his wife via the RINO run Union Leader news paper. What a nice little whisper campaign to make life miserable at home... Craig and Denise just rolled up their marbles and left public life... Sad because they are decent conservative types that really thought they could help NH citizens. The Gregs and Sununu’s thought differently... and made life miserable for them. So how is it any Conservative in NH should vote for the GOPe candidate?
If I am spiteful for pointing out facts in NH politics... then you are full on lacking discernment... is that you Karl Rove?
It’s been a while since I lived in NH. But, when I was there the election process was the tightest I have ever seen. They were very serious about their elections. And in the towns you are not going to get the fraud you would get just over the border in MA.
“by the way Smith has always Fought the GOPe”
Bob Smith has always been about Bob Smith, and when he “fought the GOPe” he also fought conservative Republicans. Remember when he left the GOP to run for president for some made-up party with 0.1% support? Gave a big speech in the Senate floor blasting the GOP Senate that had approved much of the Contract with America. But then John Chafee died and the chairmanship of the Environment and Public Works Committee became available, and he quickly crawled back to the GOP and claimed the chairmanship. Smith then did a 180 on policy and became a full-throated environmentalist radical on the committee—it was as if Chafee had taken over Smith’s body. Smith turned into such a RINO that John Sununu ran to his right in the 2002 GOP Senate primary and beat him handily. Smith then made his conversion to liberal extremism complete when he endorsed JOHN F’N KERRY FOR PRESIDENT in 2004 over George W. Bush. Kerry had been a 100% liberal over his 20 years in the Senate, and your “fighting conservative” Smith decided that Kerry was the man that America needed in the White House. So if you think that Bob Smith is some sort of conservative while Kelly Ayotte is a RINO, then we can safely ignore your claims of John Stephens being a RINO.
I would have rather that the NH GOP nominate a solid conservative with the experience and profile needed to win a Senate election in the state, but unfortunately NO SUCH CANDIDATE RAN IN THE PRIMARY. Scott Brown is far less conservative than what I would prefer, but (i) his U.S. Senate voting record isn’t quite as bad as you remember (a Mass. Democrat who even hinted of voting like Brown did would be drawn and quartered by the Kennedys), (ii) he’s more conservative than his U.S. Senate voting record, and will demonstrate it when he represents NH and doesn’t have to worry about facing a MA electorate, and (iii) he actually has the skills and background required to beat the 95% liberal Shaheen in a general election. So Scott Brown was the best choice among the candidates on the NH ballot, and apparently a majority of NH Republicans agreed with my assessment.
I hope that the NH GOP starts building up a farm system by electing young conservatives to prominent office—Guinta and Garcia getting elected to Congress would be a good start. That way, future GOP Senate primaries in NH will give conservatives a viable choice for the nomination. But the 2014 Senate primary did not present such a choice, and if you thought that Bob Smith was a viable conservative then I don’t think that you know what either of those words mean.
Thanks for the opinion. the thread you presented quite well showes exactly that Smith always fought the GOPe..even by endorsing Kerry... There was no TEA Party back then... Do I like everything Smith has done...no. But I certainly have a longer list of negatives about Scoot Brown, D Carpet bagger from mAss..
Brown - Pro Gun Control, Pro Assault Weapons Ban, Smart Gun Advocate (GDSI stock). Pro-Gay, Pro Abortion.. How does that jive with the NH GOP Platform? Read it some time and tell me why you would vote for Brown?
Smith is a kook but at least he was not supporting any of the items noted above that Brown is clearly in support of. Look at the reasons and context to what and why Smith ranted and raved... he is not that crazy and he was willing to step out on a limb and shake his fist at the GOPe.
As for your view on Brown, I disagree with you that Brown will show to be a conservative to NH voters... In fact I fully suspect after the 16 election cycle if by a long shot Brown is in the Senate, he will jump ship and make Arlen Spector look normal and Jeffords to be a saint. If you trust Brown to look after the NH Republican Party Platform and for one NY second, give any NH conservative any consideration, then you do not understand Scoot Brown, Carpet bagger from mAss. He will make Judd Gregg look conservative by comparison... and that is pretty hard to accomplish.
So how is Ayotte doing? Ovide would have been a much better Senator... If you ever get a chance to spend a few mins with Ovide or Craig Benson ask them about the NH GOP “leadership” . I see John Stephens is really working out well for us? Whoo hoo Mr. Stephens where are you? Hello...
As to your comment about the NH GOP.... ha! Nice idea, detached from reality. Have you been a local republican party chair or been involved with the NH GOP? I have... Till Old man Sununu assumes room temperature and the open primary is still law, an honest conservative in NH making it past a primary will be impossible. The NH Conservative has two battles to fight, the NH GOP pushing the RINO and the NH Democrat Party, primary vote bombing the GOP primary ballots so the weak RINO is elected every time. Sadly the NH GOP fights conservative with more vigor and resolve than they do Democrats.. and that is how NH has a pro gun control, pro abortion, pro gay rights Republican Candidate for Senator, Scoot Brown -D, Carpet bagger from mAss. The liberals won the primary and have candidates on both tickets... brilliant! Way to go NH GOP!
“So Scott Brown was the best choice among the candidates on the NH ballot, and apparently a majority of NH Republicans & Democrats that register as Independent’s and vote for the WEAK, Liberal RINO candidates in the primaries agreed with my assessment” There, fixed it for you!
So Bob Smith was “fighting the GOPe” by endorsing traitor John F. Kerry for the presidency? You are certifiably insane. And I’m sure you’ll claim to be “fighting for conservatism” when you vote for 95% (not to say 100%) liberal Jeanne Shaheen for the Senate.
I just read your tag line.... your lecturing about Brown is even more irrelevant! Brown is full on Pro Abortion/Baby Killer! Dang, you can’t even align your politics with your tag line! hahaha, no wonder Conservatives in NH get no wheres fast!
Here I will help you: If a politician won’t protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he’ll defend your rights, UNLESS its the NH GOPe choice and the Union Leader has endorsed them, then its OK to trust them while killing babies and we might get Harry Reid out as Majority Leader.
Till you change your tag line you are Scott Brown and the NH GOPe to me... You just negotiated your ethical and moral stance away to cast a vote for a Pro Abortion candidate.
I may be insane, but I know where I am going and supporting a pro abortion candidate is really not an option...
By the way, how can you honestly say how I will vote? You can’t.. but I can poke at your stances and you can poke at mine and maybe in the end, a better solution for NH Conservatives can be forged... we have to either take over the NH GOP or start a 3rd Party. No other way, time is running out.
Brown or Shaheen? Neither are great choices... Thanks again to the NH GOP and open primary system!
Jeanne Shaheen is 100% pro-abortion, while Scott Brown opposes public financing of abortion, late-term abortion and many other restrictions that would reduce the number of babies murdered every year and lead us to an eventual prohibition on abortion. You supported Bob Smith, the man who endorsed the most pro-abortion pre-Obama presidential candidate over our most pro-life president ever, and now are rooting for the 100% pro-abortion Jeanne Shaheen to get reelected.
A few years ago, Father Frank Pavone (longtime head of Priests for Life) wrote about what a voter should do when faced with two imperfect candidates. Before you run out and vote for Shaheen and tell every conservative to do likewise because “Brown isn’t pro-life, either,” you should read this and think about it:
“I’m often asked what a voter can morally do if two opposing candidates both support abortion. I recommend asking a simple question: Which of the two candidates will do less harm to unborn children if elected?
For example, is either of the candidates willing at least to ban partial-birth abortion? Is either of them willing to put up some roadblocks to free and easy abortion? Will either support parental notification, or parental consent, or waiting periods? Has either of them expressed a desire to ban late-term abortion, or to support pregnancy assistance centers? How about stricter regulation of abortion facilities? Has either candidate expressed support for that idea? Nobody is saying that’s the final goal. But ask these questions just to see whether you can see any benefit of one of the candidates above the other.
One of the two of them will be elected; there is no question about that. So you are not free right now, in this race, to really choose the candidate you want. Forces beyond your control have already limited your choices. Whichever way the election goes, the one elected will not have the position we want elected officials to have on abortion.
In this case, it is morally acceptable to vote for the candidate who will do less harm. This is not “choosing the lesser of two evils.” We may never choose evil. But in the case described above, you would not be choosing evil. Why? Because in choosing to limit an evil, you are choosing a good.
You can have a clear conscience in this instance, because you know that no law can legitimize even a single abortion, ever. If the candidate thinks some abortion is justified, you don’t agree. Moreover, you are doing the most you can to advance the protection of life.
By your vote, you can keep the worse person out. And trying to do that is not only legitimate, but good. Some may think it’s not the best strategy. But it is morally permissible.
Cardinal John O’Connor, in a special booklet on abortion, once wrote about this problem, “Suppose all candidates support ‘abortion rights’? … One could try to determine whether the position of one candidate is less supportive of abortion than that of another. Other things being equal, one might then morally vote for a less supportive position.” (1990, “Abortion: Questions and Answers”).
What if there’s a third candidate who does not have a strong base of support but does have the right position? Of course, we should work like crazy to build up that person’s base of support to make him or her electable. But that is not done on Election Day. That takes years of work, which should start now.
Meanwhile, remember that your vote is not a vote for canonization. It is a transfer of power. We can vote for a less than perfect candidate because we aren’t using our vote to make a statement, but to help bring about the most acceptable results under the circumstances.”
http://priestsforlife.org/columns/columns2006/06-10-23choosingevil.htm
I’m with you on open primaries: I hate them, I think that they violate the First Amendment rights of persons who form political parties, and I wish that NH and every other state that has them switched to closed primaries. But you are delusional if you believe that Bob Smith would have defeated Scott Brown had NH held a closed primary. If anything, Smith may have benefited from liberal Democrats who were “registered independents” (thus qualifying to vote in the GOP primary) who voted for Smith because they knew that he’d lose the general by 20%.
Again take what Smith did in the past, in the context of why he did what he did... then the facts of what his platform was in this 2014 primary... voting for Smith was 100% pro life, Brown not so much...
Brown can’t be trusted.
Now we are negotiating our morals..... Catholics have a great insights to this mode of operation... What a great place to be...not. I take the most conservative candidate every time, after that I may vote for the least damage but why in NH are we constantly in this moral dilemma? Honestly, I will have a hard time voting for Brown, and of course, I would never support Shaheen... Many conservatives I know in NH will not vote for Brown.. he very well might lose due to that... Happened to Stephens and he is actually a nice man compared to Scoot Brown, Stephens was just a poor politician, but a good dude.
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