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Andy Stapp, Soldier Who Tried to Unionize the Military, Dies at 70
NYT ^ | 9/15/2014 | WILLIAM YARDLEY

Posted on 09/15/2014 8:52:30 AM PDT by Borges

Andy Stapp, who expressed his opposition to the Vietnam War by joining the Army and proceeding to do a very unmilitary thing — form a union among soldiers that demanded, among other things, the right to elect officers and reject what they viewed as illegal orders — died on Sept. 3 in Manhattan. He was 70.

His wife, Deirdre Griswold, said the cause was complications of a lung infection.

At its peak in the early 1970s, the union that Mr. Stapp formed, the American Servicemen’s Union, claimed to have tens of thousands of members. It issued membership cards, published a newspaper and helped form chapters at military bases, on ships and in Vietnam.

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1 posted on 09/15/2014 8:52:30 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Because if there’s one thing America needs its a Military union to enforce union law. /s


2 posted on 09/15/2014 8:54:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: Borges

His wife, Deirdre Griswold,”

...his ashes will be scattered over Wally World.


3 posted on 09/15/2014 8:54:24 AM PDT by albie
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To: Borges

Another commie bites the dust. Good.


4 posted on 09/15/2014 8:55:35 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Illegals Are Getting Flat Screen TV's...you we aqqd.NOT TB Screenings!)
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To: Borges

On this subject I always asked “who ever heard of the union army?” Nobody got my point.


5 posted on 09/15/2014 8:58:22 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Borges

I was in the Army in the 70’s and served in Vietnam in 69 and 70 and for the life of me, I can’t remember anything about this guy or his unionization movement.


6 posted on 09/15/2014 8:58:24 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Borges
reject what they viewed as illegal orders

My understanding is that soldiers at present not only have such a right, they have an obligation to do so.

Which doesn't mean superiors will later agree a particular order was illegal.

7 posted on 09/15/2014 9:00:35 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins most of the battles. Reality wins ALL the wars.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I never heard of a military unionization movement either


8 posted on 09/15/2014 9:02:24 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I wonder if a unionized soldier would obey an illegal order to fire on anti union citizens?


9 posted on 09/15/2014 9:03:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: Borges
... form a union among soldiers that demanded, among other things, the right to elect officers....

Try to imagine that disaster. Every officer would be a mono browed pinky ring wearing guy named Vinny. The 3rd no-show brigade would be guarding your left flank.

10 posted on 09/15/2014 9:03:59 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

There were rumors floating around that Obama was going to unionize the military.


11 posted on 09/15/2014 9:05:07 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Illegals Are Getting Flat Screen TV's...you we aqqd.NOT TB Screenings!)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Some guy I was with in Vietnam had a subscription to the LA Free Press. That’s where I heard about it.

The NVA’s coming through the wire, but he’s going on strike.

Right.


12 posted on 09/15/2014 9:08:56 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I was in the Army in the 70’s and served in Vietnam in 69 and 70 and for the life of me, I can’t remember anything about this guy or his unionization movement.


Same with me.

Welcome home!


13 posted on 09/15/2014 9:10:13 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Borges

His brain died long ago.


14 posted on 09/15/2014 9:10:16 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Borges
"... Andy Stapp [...] demanded, among other things, the right to elect officers and reject what they viewed as illegal orders — died on Sept. 3 in Manhattan. He was 70."

I hope he gets to meet Gen. George Washington, US Army Inspector General Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben on his first day of boot camp in the afterlife.

The notion of elected officers didn't even survive the opening shots of the Revolutionary War.

15 posted on 09/15/2014 9:13:25 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I was VN ‘67-’68 and (very) busy keeping my butt in one piece. Never heard a word of this union BS before or after my tour.


16 posted on 09/15/2014 9:28:00 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
I was in the Army in the 70’s and served in Vietnam in 69 and 70 and for the life of me, I can’t remember anything about this guy or his unionization movement.

Yep, never heard of him. I guess he didn't think you and I would be good union members.

17 posted on 09/15/2014 9:30:55 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.)
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To: Borges
By the early 1980s, Mr. Stapp had found a job teaching history at the Hudson School in Hoboken, N.J. He worked there for more than a quarter-century.
I AM surprised the Army didn't make him a grunt and send his pinko-commie @ss to 'Nam.
And I'm NOT surprised some Lib school district hired him to brainwash all the little skulls full of mush.
18 posted on 09/15/2014 9:36:01 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Borges

I wonder if there is any connection to Scott Stapp, lead singer of Creed? I recall that his adoptive father was former military, but in NC, not NJ. Not all that common of a surname.


19 posted on 09/15/2014 9:39:04 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Will congress and O’bummer be at his funeral?

Is he being buried at Arlington?
Is he getting the presidential medal of freedom?
Is O’bummer taking time off from playing golf?

Inquiring minds want to know!


20 posted on 09/15/2014 10:15:03 AM PDT by mj1234
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