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Cardinal Dolan: Explaining My Decision to Serve as Grand Marshal
http://www.archny.org ^ | September 17, 2014 | Cardinal Timothy Dolan

Posted on 09/18/2014 8:49:13 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

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To: NKP_Vet

The link still doesn’t work. Either the site is overwhelmed, or Dolan suddenly realized how meretricious and disgraceful the column was and took it down.


41 posted on 09/18/2014 10:15:56 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: kitkat

Think being gay may be sin. It glorifies homosexual behavior. Only thing not a sin is having the disorder of homosexual attractions. Being out and proud promotes a disorder which can lead to sin.


42 posted on 09/18/2014 10:18:27 AM PDT by amihow
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To: NKP_Vet

What I noticed the most about this letter is how “worldly” his point of view is; self-centered rather than God-centered. His goal as a Christian should be to build a sense of loving detachment from this world thereby realizing his participation in such an event reflects flaws in his holiness.


43 posted on 09/18/2014 10:18:51 AM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: Little Ray

Jesus, being sinless, could hang out with anyone without moral peril. WWJD is NOT an infallible guide to what each of us should do.

And, of course, the tax collectors and prostitutes weren’t marching in a Tax Collectors and Prostitutes Parade.


44 posted on 09/18/2014 10:19:23 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Gerish

“Worldly” defines Dolan. Praise, applause, recognition from the famous, wealthy, and powerful. Helping the Democrat party. That’s what his life is all about. The Catholic Church is his chosen vehicle.


45 posted on 09/18/2014 10:21:43 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

I would also point out that Jesus sent a very clear message throughout His life on earth when He did things like this. It’s no accident that so many of the stories about conversion in the Gospels involve people or groups of people who were despised by the leadership of “the Chosen People” at the time.


46 posted on 09/18/2014 10:25:27 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

Dolan pretends that HAVING and PROCLAIMING same-sex attraction are exactly the same thing.

That’s the central lie in this column.


47 posted on 09/18/2014 10:26:00 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: NKP_Vet
According to the critics, I should have refused, due to the Parade Committee’s decision to allow a group of self-identified Gays of Irish ancestry to march in the parade with their own banner.

Yes, you should.

Catholic teaching is clear: “being Gay” is not a sin, nor contrary to God’s revealed morals.

Celebrating it is.

So, while actions are immoral, identity is not!

Exclamation point!

Of course, this is twaddle. They are claiming their "immoral actions" as central to their identity. And then he wants to be their "Grand Marshall".

48 posted on 09/18/2014 10:29:50 AM PDT by marron
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To: Arthur McGowan

I have no problem pulling it up. Here’s the latest from the Catholic League. Sodomites Gone Wild, formerly known as the St. Patrick’s Day Parade.

http://www.catholicleague.org/

The parade committee’s decision to allow a cherry-picked NBC gay unit to march in the 2015 parade has triggered an onslaught of applications from other gay groups, as well as new attempts to wrest control of the parade.

These efforts were given more fuel when parade committee vice chairman John Lahey, president of Quinnipiac University, announced that he was “enthusiastic” about sitting down with Brendan Fay to discuss his interest in marching in 2016. Fay is a gay activist who was an official in DignityUSA, a radical dissident Catholic gay group that works to undermine the Church. He says he is married to a man.

Applying to march in the 2015 parade are Irish Queers, St. Pat’s for All, the Lavender and Green Alliance, and gay groups within established non-gay organizations. Also, the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) announced on Monday that it has applied to march.

HRC is the nation’s largest gay group, one that is highly critical of the Church’s teachings on sexuality. In July, it berated the New York Giants because it hired David Tyree to be its new Director of Player Development (he is the Giants’ hero in the 2007 Super Bowl). Tyree’s crime? He supports marriage as the union between a man and a woman. HRC has also lashed out at Francis Cardinal George for defending what it considers the Church’s “discriminatory” policies against homosexuals. It is important to note that one of HRC’s biggest sponsors is Diageo, owner of Guinness; it is a “Platinum Partner.”

On another front, attempts are being made by gay activists, left-wing groups, and gay politicians to wrest control of the parade permit from the parade committee. They are pressuring New York Mayor Bill de Blasio to give them the permit, but so far their efforts have failed. This is just the beginning—look for more attempts to crash the parade over the next six months.


49 posted on 09/18/2014 10:30:30 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Gee, what a surprise... not. The Vatican is softening its stance on homos, abortions and marriage. By the time Pope Frank is done, the Catholic Church will be undeniably and irredeemably socialist and progressive on every front. What will the Magisterium worshippers do then?


50 posted on 09/18/2014 10:34:39 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Gay State Conservative

Right. Good point. I am corrected.
When Jesus dined with the tax collectors and harlots, they were not celebrating their sins as the homosexuals are.


51 posted on 09/18/2014 10:40:32 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: NKP_Vet

Wow. Bill Donahue has certainly burned his bridges with Dolan!


52 posted on 09/18/2014 10:43:16 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

Donohue.


53 posted on 09/18/2014 10:46:45 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Dr. Thorne

“By the time Pope Frank is done, the Catholic Church will be undeniably and irredeemably socialist and progressive on every front”.

Wrong.


54 posted on 09/18/2014 11:00:17 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Alberta's Child
I'm sorry. I missed the point in the whole discussion where the homosexual group marching in the parade is describing themselves as "reformed homosexuals."

They are not. But that is the argument that the Cardinal was making. I can't take an issue with the argument - other than it is a hypothetical strawman argument and not based on reality.

Your sense of moral equivalence here doesn't work.

I'd need you to elaborate to response.

I would also suggest that having an AA group march in a parade like this isn't a good idea at all. I fail to see what can be gained by promoting vices as normal behavior.

Perhaps I was mistaken. I thought AA were people who recognized that they were alcoholics, and had therefore swore off alcoholism because they understood that it was destructive behaviour.
We all have weaknesses, and we are to encourage one another to overcome them. We are to warn those that deny, and continue to walk in, sinful behaviour. But if someone has repented and foresaken their sin - then congratulations and welcome.

55 posted on 09/18/2014 11:11:58 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid
The marchers will be those that celebrate their sinful lifestyle, and his attendance will provide a stamp of approval.


56 posted on 09/18/2014 11:15:31 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Repent and Believe
“Are there any alcoholics with debauchery tendencies proudly marching to broadcast to the world their shameful tendencies?”

Well ... it is St Patrick's Day.

57 posted on 09/18/2014 11:19:39 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Old Yeller
Follow Christ instead of a religion.

That has been my mission for more than 40 years. I bow before Him and no other, in my daily life and in my private life.

FMCDH(BITS)

58 posted on 09/18/2014 11:26:08 AM PDT by nothingnew (Hemmer and MacCullum are the worst on FNC)
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To: Last Dakotan

“Well ... it is St Patrick’s Day.”

Well it is, then, isn’t it. Was St. Patrick not a sober fellow?

At any rate, let’s go after the “sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance” first.

When the Sodomites are thus removed, then we tackle the sin of drunkenness, which St. Patrick himself will surely be glad to help us in from heaven.

Did you know that the New Testament declares drunkenness a mortal sin? Thus, St. Patricks Day parade isn’t a completely licit until drunkenness is no longer a part of it.


59 posted on 09/18/2014 11:31:35 AM PDT by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Gays are not promoting the right to have a certain “orientation,” they are promoting the right to have sex with people of the same gender.

What the cardinal is doing is clearly contrary to Scripture. The Apostle Paul says that approving of sexual sin is the same as doing it yourself, and is condemned by God. (Romans 1). Dolan needs to be removed from his office.


60 posted on 09/18/2014 11:59:55 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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