Texas independence MUST happen

If ever an epitaph were to be written for failed governments, businesses and ideologies it would be this — "It'll never happen." There are few phrases that adequately capture the human capacity for denial like this one.

But there is one inescapable truth that is unfolding before the eyes of the world right now. "It" never happens — until "it" does.

With Scotland's independence referendum now over, the world has had a wake up call. In a country where 10 years ago, most Scots believed that a vote on independence would never happen in 2014 — it did.....

If there isn’t clear oppression talking place to justify it

Fire up any search engine and run the following.

Texas no fly zone

Texas EPA

Texas BLM

Texas Eric Holder

Then run "Texas economic ranking" and "Texas jobs ranking."

The oppression is there and it's root cause is very clear.

If Texas is not forced to heel the contrast will become glaringly obvious even to the hard core o-bots.

Hunger is a powerful motivator and the deep blue is losing it's ability to support the "progressive and liberal" communist wannabe o-bots. The feds can not support the gimedats forever either.

Given that it is unlikely the Texas economy is going to take a different direction anytime soon and little bammy has demonstrated he believes himself to be above any law, the bammie regime is going to be looking to take Texas down.

Recent events and historical trends show an ever increasing arrogance toward the American Citizen and only concede to the law when it affects "The Party" in a negative manor, not when the laws are openly broken.

They (the communists) have two more years to establish total dominance via the democrat party and the number one target is Texas. They could be in a huge "nothing left to lose" position after the mid-term elections with those very same two years on their hands.

When the intent of the feds finally breaks out into the open it will be ugg-lee.

I’m talking more about people in Texas being rounded up by troops and shot in the desert type of oppression.

As much as I cant stand Obama, these are policies of an administration that wont be in office in two years that can be reversed through a change in leadership (hopefully), and don’t constitute grounds for secession anymore than Washington State wanting to secede because of policies limiting abortion and heavy enforcement of pot laws.

You can declare independence for those things if you want, but you wont get international support, no state government will back it...much, and it will lead to a civil war in Texas where you have lots of Mexicans in the southern part of the state and lots of libs in the cities.

And even today the Texas state government seems to be more about making big statements and then whimpering off, so who knows how they would even try to break off.

Yes, but these are things that are policies of an elected (but idiotic) government and can be reversed through the same process that got these people into position to put them there in the first place.

It’s what happens when you lose an election. Not when a dictator stages a coup and then points a gun at your head and tells you to do it.

Texas will not get any support from where it needs it until all avenues short of secession and war are exhausted reversing them.

The founders of the U.S. didnt just leave because they were ticked even with all of the heavy-handed actions of the royal government. They kept trying to get the British government to see their side until they found out that the king was ready to hang them all for trying.

You can declare independence for those things if you want, but you wont get international support, no state government will back it...much,

Actually that is my point, see my post 17.

The o-bots will be shrieking and the bammy regime will be making moves much or more so than now.

But the deep blue is withering and the TExAs Party © is growing.

Independence through economics.

The desperation of the communists will only serve to heighten the contrast between themselves and the free economy capitalists of Texas.

And in true liberal fashion they will be enraged as they are of the mindset that being "progressive liberals" are "supposed" to win.

That will be the motivation for bammy's regime to "do something" as at that point nothing he does will "affect The Party."

Rounding up folks here in Texas is unlikely.

But have you see anyone in DOJ, EPA, ATF, BLM or IRS get fired?

Despite the despicable actions that have and are occurring right now?

Oppression comes in many guises.

Secession is a very serious idea, but it's ridiculous not to consider it a realistic option under our current circumstances. We aren't going to save this nation through elections alone because our system is corrupt and broken beyond the point of repair in many areas. There are still areas within our nation where elections still work the way they were intended, but I think it's completely unrealistic to believe that we have much chance of getting someone in the White House who's either willing or capable of bringing about the change that's needed to salvage anything good left that this nation was built on. In my opinion most people understand this, but since it's not easy to find any solutions for they push into the back of their mind and just keep trying to fight a losing battle the only way they know how. Many of those who realize how bad things are and accepted it for what it is often just give up because they don't see any real answers.

I've personally done both in recent years as I thought about the problems we face and looked for answers. I finally came to the conclusion that I can't look at things through rose-tinted glasses, but I also can't just completely withdraw from the fight and give up everything that our founding fathers created either. That doesn't mean I've found any good solutions to our problems. There aren't any easy solutions for us, and there may not be any solutions period. What I do know is that we must look at new and more extreme solutions to how we fight if we are to salvage anything good this country was built on.

I think we have to accept that there isn't anyway for our union to survive regardless of whether we take action or not. There is a good part of the union that doesn't care about any of the principles this country was built on. We already have enough problems in our best States, and if we aren't proactive in coming up with a realistic solution for protecting them they will slowly be lost along with the rest of them. I think we have to be hopeful for a better future, but we have to realize that it's going to take extremely risky solutions that we have no way of knowing with any certainty as to how they will turn out in the end. What we do know is that not doing anything will definitely end bad for all of us, so we have to be willing to take the risk involved in the only potential solutions to our problem that exist.

We should increase how active we are in recruiting and electing like minded people in local elections where a legitimate election process still exist, but it needs to help the advancement of a movement for increased independence and defiance of unconstitutional laws and mandates imposed on us. Those who live in areas that are basically lost should seriously consider relocating if it's a realistic option for them. Defiance of unconstitutional laws and mandates should be used to force the federal government to return power back to the states, and if it doesn't want to do it then let them use force to impose it.

Secession should seriously be considered as one of the options to free us from the numerous unconstitutional laws and mandates that are being forced upon us. I believe we are at the point where we should be using peaceful acts civil disobedience to force our government's hand into either allowing us our freedoms or using force to impose their tyranny upon us as well. I think protest of open defiance are something we should be organizing and participating in at this point. I don't believe working within the corrupt and broken system in federal elections is very helpful at all, and neither is going on the offense in an armed revolution at this point. If we ever come to that sad reality it will have to be in response to violence initiated by the government. I hope it never comes to that, but I fully support forcing the governments hand with mass peaceful protest of open defiance of obvious unconstitutional laws and mandates though.

www.CSPOA.org

Up front I want to say that this life-long Californian wishes the best for Texas and Texans. I support secession
if that is what you want.

The effects of California refugees on Texas depends on the
reason(s) of individual refugees. It will vary. If someone
moves to Texas due to a job transfer (and not just those who originated in California) then you get them and their
politics, liberal or conservative . But, many of those
leaving California are doing so BECAUSE of the worsening
liberal political climate.

Why would liberal Californians want to move to conservative
Texas unless they had to? I just can’t imagine many Marin County liberals who would want to pack up for Texas when
they have things pretty much the way they want it where they are currently located.

If you focus all of your animosity on California then
you would be making a mistake. Focus more attention on
your own inter-cities and, especially, your own
universities. That is where the real liberal danger is
coming from with regard to Texas.

In my own little rural corner of the world I learned that it
was liberals moving from the cities and the addition of
a junior college branch campus that has transformed my
area from solid conservative to “iffy” at best.

Do not bend an inch in your local laws, give-up nothing.
Watch out for those who get themselves on school boards,
planning commissions, and run for local office. We let
our guard down on the local and state levels and got
ourselves over run by urbanites and out-of-state libs.

If Texas gains independence it would likely cause other states to follow them. I support the secession of states and areas within states that still believe in the principles of our founding fathers. There is no reason to keep the union together or mourn it after what it's become. It doesn't resemble the nation our founding fathers intended to create whatsoever, and they wouldn't support it or waste their time trying to fix it by working within a massive, corrupt and broken system that is infested with people who literally hate our Constitution and undermine it every chance they get.

Texas is a great state full of patriots, but it has it's own significant problems. It didn't escape the federal government's abuse of power over the decades unscathed, and it still has a problem with the powerful Republican establishment. It's not perfect by any means, but it's done better than a lot of other states, and it has a huge amount of potential to save itself. Gaining independence is still going to be an uphill battle against the odds, but we have to try more extreme measures that can result in revolutionary change because that's the magnitude of change that we need at this point. It doesn't matter which state you live in, if we don't find proactive solutions to protect the freedoms we still have while regaining those we have lost then we are all going to lose in the end, and we don't have much time left.

We don't have to abandon the more conventional approaches we have used over the years, but we know from experience that they are not enough when used alone. We have never been able to stop the growth of liberalism in this country, but only slow it down at times. If we can't even stop it then how are we going to reverse it? We aren't unless we come up with a drastically different game plan. We need to use less conventional and more extreme methods. It's time to use acts of civil disobedience to protest unconstitutional laws and mandates. We have to start being defiant and stop hindering ourselves by playing by the rules against an enemy that doesn't.

The left in this country basically disarmed themselves with their extreme stance on guns in an attempt disarm us all, but they have skills that have been very successful that we need for our own cause now. We aren't nearly as good as they are at organizing these types of defiant protest because we lack their skill when it comes to using those tactics, and because many on the right don't want to take part in any tactic they associate with the radical left, but that's a huge mistake. We need to use these things against them for our own cause now. No one is going to solve this problem by themselves and we all need to be active and work together on this. It's time for civil disobedience, but it's only going to work if enough people are willing to get involved.

www.CSPOA.org

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