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Norovirus & Ebola Zaire: same transmission vector (vanity w/CDC links)
ElenaM w/CDC quotes

Posted on 10/12/2014 4:26:02 PM PDT by ElenaM

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I have no reason whatsoever to buy into the public health authorities' assurances that Ebola Zaire is difficult to contract given that a virus with a very similar transmission profile attacks my community every year. Skepticism doesn't require ignorance or conspiracy theories. I'm skeptical because I know better.

Everyone else is free to respond to Ebola however they wish. I am taking it very seriously because it's an incredibly dangerous virus.

1 posted on 10/12/2014 4:26:02 PM PDT by ElenaM
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To: ElenaM; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; Global2010; ...
Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

2 posted on 10/12/2014 4:27:36 PM PDT by null and void ("Agoraphobia": fear of the marketplace; "AlGoreaphobia": fear of the marketplace of ideas.)
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To: ElenaM

We are screwed for the simple fact that we have an enemy of the US as President the same time this is going on. Thank you Democrats


3 posted on 10/12/2014 4:42:25 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Obama Will Say 'War on Women' But Not 'War on ISIS)
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To: ElenaM

Ebola can survive outside the body for 6 days which pretty much means we are screwed especially under this POTUS who seems hellbent on getting it into the US.


4 posted on 10/12/2014 4:46:11 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Obama Will Say 'War on Women' But Not 'War on ISIS)
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To: ElenaM
Norovirus is non-enveloped which means it has a different vector, it can't attack the range of immune and blood vessel cells that Ebola can and makes Ebola so dangerous. But more to your point:

A majority of respiratory viruses are enveloped (parainfluenza virus, influenza virus, RSV, and coronavirus) and survive on surfaces from hours to days. In contrast, most enteric viruses are nonenveloped and survive on fomites from weeks to months.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1828811/

Norovirus, being non-enveloped, survives better on surfaces. Not only that, but the envelope around the Ebola virus is made of proteins that are very attracted to detergents and bleach, so it is quite easy to kill off that way:

Taken together with empirical epidemiological observations during outbreaks, our results suggest that current recommendations for the decontamination of filoviruses in isolation wards [3] are effective

http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full

Essentially the same protein envelope that makes Ebola so dangerous also makes it relatively easy to clean up.

5 posted on 10/12/2014 4:48:33 PM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
We are screwed for the simple fact that we have an enemy of the US as President the same time this is going on. Thank you Democrats

Since he has been in office, his priorities have been the Islamist/Marxists interests first, and interests of the American people only whenever pressed by the media (not often).

6 posted on 10/12/2014 4:48:37 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: ElenaM

Thank you - a good analysis and comparison... It is useful information that gives a perspective on the spread of the Ebola..


7 posted on 10/12/2014 4:48:59 PM PDT by ICCtheWay
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To: ElenaM

Posted at this thread:
2nd person who got ebola was wearing FULL PROTECTIVE GEAR as recommended by the CDC per presser!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3214194/posts

#133
What USED TO BE on the Web page of the CDC as of 8/2/14:

“In this guidance healthcare personnel (HCP) refers all persons, paid and unpaid, working in healthcare settings who have the potential for exposure to patients and/or to infectious materials, including body substances, contaminated medical supplies and equipment, contaminated environmental surfaces, or CONTAMINATED AIR. “

https://web.archive.org/web/20140802...endations.html

Also.......

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/1211...srep00811.html

Transmission of Ebola virus from pigs to non-human primates

A study conducted in 2012 showed that Ebola was able to travel between pigs and monkeys that were in separate cages and were never placed in direct contact.


My opinion, based on these articles, is that Ebola can spread via the air but only in enclosed spaces. Once outside UV rays kill it.


8 posted on 10/12/2014 4:49:34 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: ElenaM

Remember folks!

The CDC recommends N95 mask for Ebola that stops things 0.3 microns in size.
Ebola Is 0.08 Microns (range of size is from 0.05 to 0.3 microns).


9 posted on 10/12/2014 4:50:16 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Ebola can survive outside the body for 6 days

On the high end, yes. But more importantly Ebola survives well when moist and at about 4C. That may make it more dangerous for us here in winter than it is in tropical Africa.

10 posted on 10/12/2014 4:52:06 PM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Ebola can spread via the air but only in enclosed spaces.

Not easily. The flight containing Patrick Sawyer vomiting blood and dying a few hours later had 48 passengers. 1 passenger died (the woman seated next to him) and some flight attendants who were tasked with cleaning up not realizing the threat. The other 46 survived.

11 posted on 10/12/2014 4:54:01 PM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Ebola doesn’t survive floating in the air. It has to be inside droplets of water, so most masks will be sufficient. The important point is it has to seal around the face and protect the eyes.


12 posted on 10/12/2014 4:55:41 PM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: ElenaM

Not only that, but Ebola symptoms and norovirus symptoms are almost indistinguishable for the first few days.

And the problems with things like this is that they grow exponentially. Even if Ebola grows slowly to start with, unfortunately, we ain’t seen nuttin yet. Just wait until flu and norovirus season hits to see what a completely paralyzed nation that battens down the barricades REALLY looks like as millions have symptoms that are much like how Ebola starts off!

The trenches of our medical system are woefully unprepared for something like this. And thank you, President Obola for your “fundamental transformation” when flu season hits!

Oh, and PLEASE let’s keep those West African shuttles flying back and forth, since obviously it would do no good anyway with your open borders policy. Oh, and everyone? Be sure to vote a straight Democrat ticket in November: they really DO care about you folks, ya’ll hear? After all:

“Now, I am not on the ballot this fall,” Obama stressed. “... But make no mistake: My policies are on the ballot — every single one of them.” (Including unrestricted West African air flights.)

Barack Hussein Obama, October 2, 2014, Northwestern University


13 posted on 10/12/2014 4:57:47 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: ElenaM
Second, noroviruses are environmentally stable, able to survive both freezing and heating (although not thorough cooking), are resistant to many common chemical disinfectants, and can persist on surfaces for up to 2 weeks.

And NONE of those pertain to Ebola virus.

Put it this way: if Ebola were as contagious as Noro, we'd have lost half the population of Africa by now, not to mention Asia, Europe, the Americas...

14 posted on 10/12/2014 5:01:48 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: palmer

Go read the docs at the links posted.


15 posted on 10/12/2014 5:01:53 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: palmer

Go read the docs at the links I just posted.


16 posted on 10/12/2014 5:02:30 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

You can thank Repugs just as much. Where in the hell are THEY?


17 posted on 10/12/2014 5:07:02 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The last two are 404.


18 posted on 10/12/2014 5:08:14 PM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: palmer

Wow! Somebody had those pulled!


19 posted on 10/12/2014 5:09:52 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: ElenaM
"Norovirus & Ebola Zaire: same transmission vector"

Cruise ships.


20 posted on 10/12/2014 5:12:02 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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