Posted on 11/05/2014 11:24:24 AM PST by wagglebee
Regarding this post and #16: you’re a gem, Mrs. Don-o.
I’m saying that as a platform its a looser there were far more.issues at play than that. It’s not a campaign winner and conservatives shouldn’t be raising it at this time. You must convince and persuade people it is wrong. Put up hurdles. Wisdom shows outright bans don’t work and make small government advocates look like.large government advocates.
“I mean that I want women to have access to healthcare that doesn’t include the use of contraception and abortion”
I don’t think it could be any clearer. Lifesite, the author anyway, doesn’t want women to have access to contraception
“When I say, “I want women to have control over their bodies,” I mean that I want women to know and embrace their fertility.”
I want, I want. What about what women want? Or don’t want. Or can’t afford. Or can’t take care of?
To me the most responsible thing you can do is prevent a pregnancy you don’t want or need. Maybe a 45 y.o. woman with 4 kids should just “embrace her fertility”? Fine with me. If that’s what she wants.
“I want women to understand that the most beautiful thing a woman’s body does is to grow other human beings.”
To her. What about the women who don’t want “to grow other human beings”? Quit having sex? That train has already left the station. Actually it never got to the station.
No, there’s no mistake here. Ya’ll don’t want women to have access to contraception and have all the babies they possibly can. And that’s fine. At least “Abby” is honest. Many aren’t. Apparently.
So Mr. Foxwell. What part of her “language” do you think I’m confused about? Specifically.
1: Murder
2: Murder
3: Murder
4: Murder
5: Murder
6: Murder
7: Murder
8: Murder
It’s really quite simple.
Ma'am, that right there is just a splendid turn of phrase. Inspired. Genius.
You mean --- talk abut it in public? Lecture? Make videos? Put it in TV ads? Put out printed literature? Why, I've run into that before. That sounds like.... a political campaign!
That's what campaigning for a pro-life candidate or ballot item is all about. Political campaigns are the most intensive public forms of "convincing people" currently in play in the United States. That's why we do it.
" Wisdom shows outright bans don’t work." Absolutely non-factual . Wisdom --- that means, actual experience --- shows that ouyright bans work better than anything else. Where abortion has been banned except in all but the most exceptional cases --- as in the recent history of the Republic of Ireland, Poland, New Zealand --- abortion is comparatively rare. (
(Comparison: The UK has an age-standardized abortion rate was 15.9 per 1,000 resident women aged 15-44. By contrast, the Republic of Ireland rate is 4.5. And Ireland has a significantly LOWER rate of childbirth-related morbidity and mortality than the UK. Ireland has some of the best maternal health outcomes in the world.)
In the USA, the abortion rate shot up with the introduction of legal abortion in 1973. Lie Dynamics, which has analyzed the statistics by various factors --- age, income, marital status, level of education, race, religion, etc. etc. ---- has shown that the single most significant factor in increasing the abortion rate is: zip code. If there is an abortion clinic in your zip code or within a 10-mile radius, that increases the abortion rate more than any other factor. Both abortion, and out-of-wedlock births decline the farther you are from an abortion clinic.
Interesting, eh?
In other words, the demand for abortion is what economists call "elastic." If abortion is not easily, readily available, most women won't risk an out-of-wedlock pregnancy.
The availability of legal, cheap, convenient abortion has a huge, and hugely destructive impact on behavior.
It's that "impact on behavior" thing that contraception and legal-abortion advocates don't take into account.
You are confused about the fact that the abortion industry demands that healthcare for women is defined by contraception and abortion.
The article does not say that women should not have access to contraception, only that healthcare for women should not be defined exclusively as contraception and abortion.
You remind me of an atheist reading the Bible with a jaundiced eye. You are reading into her words what you want to read. In so doing you make her case perfectly. There is no middle ground between abortion and prolife.
You may claim to be against abortion but your words do not reflect it.
Say what you want, trying to push preaching at people as some do opens up the doors for Obama and his types. God will show the right person how to accomlish it.
"Embrace your fertility" may mean respecting it enough that you don't try to impair it by intentional chemical or surgical maiming. Have intercourse in your fertile phase if you want to become pregnancy. Have intercourse in your infertile phases, if you don't.
Realistically, MOST married sex happens at naturally infertile times. Normally, there's only one week a month (average) when a woman is fertile. If you add up:
You've got known, foreseen, infertile sex most of the time, just because of the periodic nature for fertility. Rough calculation: a woman of 70 who's been married 50 years and had 3 kids,
That's respecting your natural design.
You could call it "embracing your fertility."
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By golly it does! What a novel idea.
That's what campaigning for a pro-life candidate or ballot item is all about. Political campaigns are the most intensive public forms of "convincing people" currently in play in the United States. That's why we do it.
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It's not easy, but pro-lifers are a persistent bunch.
Excellent post, Mrs. Don-o, and not just the above, but all of it. With you and wagglebee here on Free Republic, I have learned so much about this issue and many others. Thank you!
Excellent post.
Actually, there is no common ground. There is no half dead and half alive. A person is dead or they are alive.
Cut and dried.
The whole female population will be chemically spayed while you're still pondering about whether it's politically correct to talk about contraception in public.
Then the inevitable result, a whole host of antibiotic-resistance sexual infection including cephalosporin-resistant gonorrhea, and it'll be curtains for what was once America. Infection, sterility, collapse of birthrate, self-extinction.
As the Muslims say, smiling: Inshallah.
“I want women to have access to healthcare that doesn’t include the use of contraception and abortion.”
So women don’t have access to healthcare that doesn’t include contraception and abortion? Really? Then what’s up with all the prenatal care and Obstetricians and all? I mean, Hospitals have maternity wards and everything.
Reading her statement the way you interpret it doesn’t make any sense.
So then tell me. Abby and Lifesite believe in using contraception or not? Based on what Mrs. Don-o tells me I would say no. Anything other than Rhythm anyway.
I ask because when the pro-choice people say the Anti-abortionists want to “take away your contraception” I thought they were just making it up as a way to scare women.
It's like a guy writing about modern communication and talking about getting the best deals on typewriter ribbons.
As a legislative GOAL? No, Abby Johnson and LifeSiteNews are not about banning contraception. But that's not even relevant to the present discussion. Our position is urgently defensive, because the real push is coming from the other side: to universalize contraception, run it right down to the middle-school girls along with the Gardasil, and require Louis Foxwell, yourself, and me to surrender our daughters and our dollars to get it done, in mandatory fashion, at the point of a gun.
That's the real-time, politically relevant, contraceptive issue. That's what "mandatory" is ultimately all about.
Excellent.
Not Rhythm huh? Well what would you call it then? I got a great explanation up thread and it still works exactly how I remembered. Huh...
So the Government is going to mandate contraception?
Well, I’m against it. O.K.?
Really?
Do you know how to google?
There is only one reason. They want to kill babies. We don't agree.
There is no way to meet in the middle.
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