GOP Congress to weigh legal pot in DC

Associated Press ^ | Nov 5, 2014 5:55 PM EST | Ben Nuckols

[Vaquero]

long term effect of alcohol is horrible...but its only from long term alcoholism (unless you are referring to a drunk driving accident).

the long term effects of psychedelics can be from just a few or even one experience...

[ConservingFreedom]

For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations.

Yes, He is - and He neither requires nor requests the assistance of any human being in exercising His governance.

[ConservingFreedom]

The writers of the Constitution were influenced much more by "Enlightenment" thinking than the Bible, accordingly, the only reference to God in the Constitution is one that is implied in the recording of the date, "in the year of our Lord". It says "We the People" - nothing of the nation acknowledging Christ. Very secular humanist.

If you're opposed to the Constitution, this probably isn't the Web site for you: "As a conservative site, Free Republic is [...] pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights" - Jim Robinson, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts

[tacticalogic]

long term effect of alcohol is horrible...but its only from long term alcoholism (unless you are referring to a drunk driving accident).

Death is pretty "long term". You can literally drink yourself to death the first time you pick up a bottle.

[PieterCasparzen]

If there were no laws at all about drugs - at all - except that drunkenness was against the law, that would Scriptural. However, to be Scriptural, we would ALSO need to have laws against the bigtime purveyors of nasty, poisonous substances that hurt millions of duped sheeple.

In other words, if you're selling something like opium and hurting people, you get prosecuted, convicted, jailed and fined in the amount of your ill-gotten gains, and you make restitution to those you have harmed.

Such laws would cover both legal and illegal drugs.

So opiates could be used for pain relief when medically necessary (MUCH less than today) - but that's it.

Scripture exhorts against drunkenness, which makes perfect sense given that the New Testament tells us that the Holy Spirit dwells within the believer and helps them to overcome temptation to sin. That means it is governing the mind, keeping one's mind from directing one's body to commit sins. While the believer may think sins - and that the Bible tells us IS also sinful, so we are by no means free of sin and we still "fall short of the glory of God" - they will find themselves "putting on a new man", that is, being able to resist temptations that they used to never be able to resist. Now if one is drunk, the Holy Spirit is not there - because it can not be overcome - it is God. Therefore the drunkard is by no means converted and the Bible tells us so.

Regarding looking up about coffee/tea being mind-altering, I have zero faith in the honesty of the research establishment, which is anti-Christ and secular-humanist.

They are the authors of glo-bull warming lies.

Every other week there is a headline saying coffee is great - or coffee is poison - alternating weeks.

Meaning, you can get a scientist somewhere who will write any study you want if you're paying well.

This country and the British Empire were to a great extent built on opium wealth, and the "power behind the throne" of America are the world's biggest drug lords. There are direct linkages between them and the drug lords of the 1700's/1800's. These people are commonly referred to as "new world order".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jardine,_Matheson_%26_Co.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Russell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Huntington_Russell

Yes, the Boston bomber's wife was a Russell.

Warren Delano, FDR's grandpa, was a drug lord:

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/28/opinion/the-opium-war-s-secret-history.html

Those links are only a tiny sampling, if I had time I could list thousands of links.

The Opium Wars were fought because the Western opium drug lords were destroying the Chinese people and the Emperor did not like it. Too bad, he lost the wars, and the new world order elites have run roughshod over the Chinese people ever since.

Our government in Washington, DC, is permeated with and run by such evil people.

They alternate between making drugs legal and illegal, either way they profit massively. The governments of the world, Russia and China, as well as the West, UK/US/etc., along with the third world - are all narco states.

The drug lord "pillars of society" make all sorts of blatant lies like saying that heroin is no different than coffee and get the sheeple to repeat the lies.

Skull and Bones, the college fraternity of the drug lords, has had its members at the head of the CIA since its inception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Forrestal

In the old days they were essentially pirates, ergo the Skull and Bones symbol.

They are globalism - new world order - and their people are the core of the leadership of the fields of finance and espionage.

Pharma companies are thoroughly new world order, from their beginnings, and they have always dealt in all these sorts of drugs - from the legal side. And this is not just US pharma companies, but all the biggies around the world, as they all have always had interlocking relationships with each other and other new world order companies and organizations.

There is Senate committee public testimony that CIA and pharma companies have always had extensive working relationships on demented projects, under the guise of "national security".

Until new world order is put out of business permanently, they will continue to attack the sheeple. They are the elites who "puff" at the poor:

Psalm 10

"1 Why standest thou afar off, O Lord? why hidest thou thyself in times of trouble?

2 The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth.

4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.

5 His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.

6 He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity.

7 His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.

8 He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor.

9 He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net.

10 He croucheth, and humbleth himself, that the poor may fall by his strong ones.

11 He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten: he hideth his face; he will never see it.

12 Arise, O Lord; O God, lift up thine hand: forget not the humble.

13 Wherefore doth the wicked contemn God? he hath said in his heart, Thou wilt not require it.

14 Thou hast seen it; for thou beholdest mischief and spite, to requite it with thy hand: the poor committeth himself unto thee; thou art the helper of the fatherless.

15 Break thou the arm of the wicked and the evil man: seek out his wickedness till thou find none.

16 The Lord is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land.

17 Lord, thou hast heard the desire of the humble: thou wilt prepare their heart, thou wilt cause thine ear to hear:

18 To judge the fatherless and the oppressed, that the man of the earth may no more oppress."

Psalm 12

"1 Help, Lord; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.

2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.

3 The Lord shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:

4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the Lord; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.

6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted."

[PieterCasparzen]

Then you should respect the 10th Amendment, leave the issue to the State legislatures where it belongs, and encourage them to pass that legislation. The Constitution imposes the restriction on Congress, not the States.

Then we are a nation that permits some of its areas to establish laws that are anti-Christ. That's not a Christian nation, that's a nation that HATES Christ.

[PieterCasparzen]

For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations.

Yes, He is - and He neither requires nor requests the assistance of any human being in exercising His governance.

No, he commands active obedience to his Word.

Remember the prior verse:

Psalm 22:27 "All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. "

[Fester Chugabrew]

Thanks for the reply. There are biblical, practical, and civil reasons to refrain from overuse and worship of the creation, not to mention the strict injunction from Above to honor proper authorities “so that you may live long on the earth.”

“All things are clean, but not all things are profitable.” We do not have the authority to declare mind-altering substances “sinful” in and of themselves. We *do* have an obligation to seek what is best for our neighbor in every way so that he may live peaceably.

The biblical prohibitions regarding drunkenness pertain not to simple use, but abuse. Regardless of whether one uses these substances or not, there is enough filthy bilge issuing forth from every man’s heart every moment of the day to merit nothing but death and damnation.

Pointing to careful and thankful participation in certain substances for medicine and recreation on a limited scale is hardly a reason to establish and uphold the strict measures you desire to see enforced upon your neighbors.

All of creation is for our good. The problems come about when proper fear, love, and trust in God is lost. This effects every living being more negatively than anything. “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.” Participating in mind-altering substances while entertaining the delusion one is self-antonymous is no less dangerous spiritually than refraining from use while under the same delusion.

We may disagree vociferously on this matter, but I still count you as a brother who does not trust in his own righteousness, but that of Christ Jesus, in Whom, and to Whom, and through Whom are all things.

[tacticalogic]

Then we are a nation that permits some of its areas to establish laws that are anti-Christ. That's not a Christian nation, that's a nation that HATES Christ.

Then you need to find a different country to live in, or at least a different web sit to post to. We support the Constitution here.

[PieterCasparzen]

If you're opposed to the Constitution, this probably isn't the Web site for you: "As a conservative site, Free Republic is [...] pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights" - Jim Robinson, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts

If you'll look back, I am simply saying the Constitution is anti-Christ.

I am not opposed to it insofar as it is the law of the land, and the Bible commands us to obey civil laws as far as they do not conflict with Scripture.

Since it is anti-Christ, however, it is severely wanting.

Remember, we have seen an increasing, long-term, gradual rejection of God in America; we have seen apostasy in the Churches of America. We increasingly today see growing outright hostility towards Jesus Christ and God's Law Word, the Bible.

We are simply getting what we asked for in our Constitution: we did not appeal to God and covenant with him, thus he is leaving us to our own devices. He has given America the secular humanist leaders America asked for.

Nationally my loyalty is with America; my ancestors arrived here long before it was America, this is my home. However, instead of merely accepting whatever we are dealt by our secular humanist government, we should work towards becoming a Christian nation - explicitly, according to the Word of God.

[ConservingFreedom]

He neither requires nor requests the assistance of any human being in exercising His governance.

No, he commands active obedience to his Word.

Remember the prior verse:

Psalm 22:27 "All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee."

Nothing there about being deputized by God to exercise His governance of the nations. My point stands uncontradicted.

[tacticalogic]

Nationally my loyalty is with America; my ancestors arrived here long before it was America, this is my home. However, instead of merely accepting whatever we are dealt by our secular humanist government, we should work towards becoming a Christian nation - explicitly, according to the Word of God.

It's one thing to "work toward" becoming a Christian nation. It's quite another to want to impose it by force.

[ConservingFreedom]

If you're opposed to the Constitution, this probably isn't the Web site for you: "As a conservative site, Free Republic is [...] pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights" - Jim Robinson, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts

If you'll look back, I am simply saying the Constitution is anti-Christ.

I am not opposed to it insofar as it is the law of the land, and the Bible commands us to obey civil laws as far as they do not conflict with Scripture.

Since it is anti-Christ, however, it is severely wanting.

It's severely wanting yet you're not opposed to it? OK - sounds odd, and still leaves you well short of being "pro-Constitution" as FR is.

So do you agree that until the Constitution is duly amended or replaced, the federal government should not pass or enforce laws that are outside its Constitutional authority?

[Fester Chugabrew]

We regulate other mind-altering substances when they are brought to bear in the marketplace. While one may brew beer in his own home, and even sell or give it to his neighbor, there are legal consequences for public sale without having proper authority. I happen to believe alcohol is overly regulated these days, but it needs regulation.

We ought to realize cannabis only a plant. Good heavens. If I had the tools to grow it (which really are not complicated at all - seeds, water, and light), I might as well give it away. We’ve attached too much importance/value to a plant and its effects. Let people be judged by their actions, and establish limits when it comes to partaking of substances that induce aberrant behavior. I tend not so much to blame the substance, but the heart and mind inclined to worship false gods, which are far more abundant than cannabis.

[PieterCasparzen]

We must remember that drugs have no other purpose than making the mind think things that are not real or true.

Drunkenness is when one thinks things that are not real or true.

Acting foolishly, idiotically, being in a stupor.

That is the only purpose of drugs.

I am a cigar smoker, I know that tobacco does not alter my consciousness to think things that are not true or real. I stay in command of my mental faculties when I smoke a cigar.

When I have a scotch with my cigar, it’s about 1 glass per hour or hour and a half. Basically just wetting my lips every few minutes. I do not get drunk, I remain in control of my mental faculties.

I used to go to a tobacco shop where I could have a drink and order food - and I would sit there for several hours with my laptop doing business-related work, while I enjoyed my cigar.

The tobacco is a FLAVOR experience, as is the drink.

Mind altering drugs are not taken for flavor or as a meal.

They are simply drugs that distort reality for the mind.

[Vaquero]

You can jump off a 30 story building or choke to death on food too.

Most folks don’t drink themselves to death in one binge. In my college days sometimes I wished I had...the hangover was so bad.

[ConservingFreedom]

One does not get drunk on coffee and tea.

One gets hyperstimulated by them, like cocaine or meth - are those OK by you?

[PieterCasparzen]

In fact, I support the Constitution - in contrast to politicians - who undo the rights it enumerates.

There is no Scriptural conflict with States retaining powers and passing their own laws, obviously.

I am certainly opposed to laws that move away from Biblical doctrine, and favor laws that move towards compatibility with Scripture.

I don’t know of any Repbulican Congressmen who have my views on the 2A, that Constitutionally there should be no regulation at all of guns, as any law infringes on the basic right.

I support it, though it has Biblical shortcomings, and at the same time believe we should be working towards being an explicitly Christian nation. Our Constitution should explicitly cite the Bible as its source for our liberties, Christian liberties.

[Ken H]

So do you support leaving intrastate marijuana regulation to the states, per the Tenth Amendment... yes or no?

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Ask yourself....two guys. One is the street dealer selling pot...

By that logic, bootleggers should have beaten out liquor stores. But that's not what happened.

In California, where cannabis is all but completely legal (it's ridiculously easy to get a medical card), street dealers have all but disappeared. It's just too much easier for consumers to go to a storefront, have a variety of selections to choose from, and make a purchase rather than have to call up some guy, make an appointment, go to some rendezvous, and take or leave what he's got.