Posted on 11/07/2014 6:02:16 AM PST by Kartographer
A column of 32 tanks, 16 howitzer artillery systems and trucks carrying ammunition and fighters has crossed into eastern Ukraine from Russia, the Kiev military said on Friday.
"The deployment continues of military equipment and Russian mercenaries to the front lines," spokesman Andriy Lysenko said in a televised briefing referring to Thursday's cross-border incursion.
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....”Obama is such a weak leader that Putin looks “tough” by comparison”....
Heck Obama’s tougher on our own Representatives and Congressional Leaders and Israel then he is on Putin or Middle East Leaders!
“That’s what happens when you violently overthrow a democratically elected President.”
Your statement is a blatant lie, and you are using the lie as false propaganda to justify Putin’s Russian war crimes; which makes you an accessory to the commission of those war crimes. Your statement is a lie, because your false accusation someone did “violently overthrow a democratically elected President” never occurred with respect to Yanukovych. On the contrary, Yanukovych abandoned and then resigned the office of the President of the Ukraine, defected to a foreign nation committing acts of war against the Ukraine, and then committed treason against the Ukraine and its citizens by waging war upon the Ukraine. Yanukovych committed these criminal acts to avoid indictment and prosecution for a myriad of crimes he committed while in office, not the least of which were the kidnapping, torture, and murder of political opponents along with the wholesale looting of the Ukrainian treasury.
Hopefully it will become Russia’s Migraine.
Obama: Hey Vlad, if you can hold off the invasion until the weekend after the election, I’ll make it worth your while.
“... give the Ukrainians a million Garands, 50,000 bazookas and 5000 Sherman tanks (split evenly between the “Easy-8” and “Jumbo” models ...”
Shermans (M4A3E8 and M4A3E2 are medium tanks)! What a turkey shoot! Garands? Bazookas? All WWII surplus junk, if you could even find the quantities needed. This is 2014 not 1945 - notice that over 65 years have past? That’s a eons of time in militarily tech. Quite possible that one Russian machine gunner firing depleted uranium armor piercing rounds could take out the entire lot of the Shermans - so much has ordinance improved in the past 65 plus years.
Now if you had offered AK-47s, TOWs, and M1A1s that would be at least moderately comparable and competitive against a modern military, you would not have the wholesale slaughter of Ukraine forces, if they were equipped with antiques you proposed.
Don’t forget that you would need to also offer ample quantities of ammo, and spare parts. Also, doubt that you could even find rounds for the Shermans, let alone all the spares need to keep them going.
FYI: Modernized T-72 (a heavy tank) variants are only slightly inferior to the US M1A1 (a heavy tank), while (according to the Russians) the T-90s (a heavy tank) are equal or comparable to M1A2s.
The Moskva missile cruiser was modernized about 4 years ago. While the hull is old, the armaments and radars are not.
>>I would expect it to be stricken.
We’ll never know. All news of stricken-ness now requires approval of the Ministry of Information with signature of the tSAR.
This negotiated agreement was also signed by all three opposition leaders and witnessed by the foreign ministers of France, Poland, and Germany as well as a special representative from the Russian Federation, all of whom recognized Yanokovich as the lawful President of Ukraine acting in his official capacity at the time.
Hours after signing that internationally notarized power-sharing agreement Yanokovitch was accosted by an armed mob of Maidan radicals as he tried to leave the capital to attend a planned gathering of his political Party of Regions members in Kharkov.
These same armed radicals took over the Parliament building and other government Ministry offices, threatened and assaulted elected members of Parliament, and attempted to force an impeachment vote which ultimately failed to attract the constitutionally required number to impeach the President.
The entire Yanokovitch government was subsequently removed from power through a series of extra-constitutional parliamentary maneuvers while armed radicals 'guarded' the building. Fearing for their well being as well as his own, the President took his family over the border to Rostov on Don, Russia.
Now you can try to spin that sequence of events any way your liberal interventionist heart desires, but it still amounts to a 'violent overthrow of a democratically elected president'.
Ho hum
That’ll leave a mark on the FR Putinistas!
Well maybe so but there are no such thing as an obsolete weapon, you just have to change the tactics. You might not be able to go head to head (unless you “Zerg Rush” them perhaps) but you can attach from the sides and rear. A side note, I’ve seen many debates about the King Tiger vs. M1 tank.
attach=attack
This is an act of war!
I used to respect Poopin. Now it’s just poopin.
This is really stupid, and nothing is happening. That telegraphs a massive message that is very dire IMO.
That's a load of crap, Putinist troll. Actually, Parliament took up impeachment as a solution to Yanukovych fleeing the country. It was not the result of "armed" people taking over the Ukrainian Rada and holding everyone at gunpoint. Nor was there ever anyone holding the Rada at gunpoint, even afterwards.
You filthy buggers never cease in spreading constant disinformation on behalf of your masters in Ukraine. You rely on making big lies, and then repeating them often.
And you literally reversed the sequence of events, making Yanukovych flee after the impeachment, rather than before anything was even going on, thus making impeachment necessary.
I will also add, on top of my last reply to you, the fact that Yanukovych's government was falling apart after the mass shootings against Ukrainians. Yanukovych did not flee because he was ever assaulted by anybody walking around in the capital. He fled because 100 people had been murdered by the Russian trained members of the SBU (who also fled with him), and everyone turned against him, even the members of his own Russian controlled party.
The mods need to seriously consider zotting the Putinistas off this forum. Their lies are rampant and unforgivable.
Oops, the person I was replying to was Mac_truck, not Whiskeyx, incase that isn’t clear.
Tactics for using M4s with 75mm main guns against T-72BMs or T-90s with 125mm main gun, both with associated infantry: bail and run. Out gunned and out ranged. Not to mention those pesky machine gunners with armor piercing depleted uranium rounds ...
Side/rear/swarm tactics worked with M4 vs Tigers assumes that Tiger is isolated/undefended and either stationary or broken down, and has slow rate of fire.
T-90s (and I think the T-72BM variant both have auto-loaders), with the T-90 boasting 3 rounds in 13 seconds. Thus, every minute one T-90 would take out 7 or so M4s. Unless you massed all 5000 in one battle, the battle would be over very quickly and likely all Russian tanks would still be standing and mobile.
Just barely mentionable is manual M4 targeting verses T-90 computerized targeting ...
King Tiger = maintenance beast/garage queen. Too few ever made. 88mm round probably would ‘bounce’ off M1A2’s or T-90s reactive armor.
But then, you didn’t offer the Ukrainians any King Tigers either ... Panthers would be a better offer, as there are still some in use or were until recently. Ask around in Poland.
5000 M4 = target practice for T-72BM/T-90. Given 300 more MBTs just crossed that would be 16 and change apiece for the Russians and zip for the M4s.
You need to break the piggy bank/start a fund raiser and dig deep to spring for some German Leopard IIs or at least some Israeli Merkava 4s.
Be sure to make some combat videos of the battles - inquiring minds and all.
What ever happens over there, we should stay out. IMO, we shouldn’t risk the money or lives. The Russians are crazy and I don’t trust the Ukrainians.
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