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Kasparov: Stop Putin now or pay the price later
EU Observer ^ | 11/09/14 @ 17:03 | Andrew Rettman

Posted on 11/09/2014 10:20:02 PM PST by Olog-hai

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1 posted on 11/09/2014 10:20:03 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

No argument from me, but the EU needs to be spearheadng it. Not our military.


2 posted on 11/09/2014 10:22:05 PM PST by catfish1957 (Everything I needed to know about Islam was written on 11 Sep 2001)
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And that will be the end of NATO.” …

Allowing Turkey to remain in NATO should be grounds for it's demise alone.

3 posted on 11/09/2014 10:24:17 PM PST by catfish1957 (Everything I needed to know about Islam was written on 11 Sep 2001)
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You don’t want that to happen. The last thing the EU needs to become is a so-called “third power”.

If Obama wants the EU (not “Euorpe”) spearheading any such pushback against Putin (the USA is the chief target of his ire, remember), why should we want it?


4 posted on 11/09/2014 10:26:59 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

It may be wise to listen to a guy who’s pretty much a genuis when it comes to predicting the moves of his opponent, especially when that opponent has absolutely no opposition from a certain Kenyan.


5 posted on 11/09/2014 10:27:19 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Not all Muslims are terrorists but all Muslims are potential terrorists.)
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To: catfish1957

Now that I agree with. Real well-poisoner there.


6 posted on 11/09/2014 10:27:24 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The West will never learn.


7 posted on 11/09/2014 10:29:36 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Olog-hai
I don't know if keeping Putin in check, would constitute making a the EU a "3rd power". I think they already have the military resouces in hand to pull that off already.

IF you are alluding that the need would need to significantly "militarize" Eurpoe, then I agree. But I don't think that is the case.

8 posted on 11/09/2014 10:37:31 PM PST by catfish1957 (Everything I needed to know about Islam was written on 11 Sep 2001)
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Not that there is a particular need (I do not regard Putin’s threats to nuke Poland and Ukraine as empty, though), but the European Union elites have been pushing for centralized EU militarization for a long time and this would give them the excuse more than other threats.


9 posted on 11/09/2014 10:40:49 PM PST by Olog-hai
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Let me add, that through my 50 or so years of watching geopolitical events, I seem to be trending toward an isolationist slant than in the past. Reason? Being $17T in debt for one. Our days of subsidizing the policing of the world should be waning. And if this means gradually growing the military power of Japan, and Europe, then so be it.


10 posted on 11/09/2014 10:43:36 PM PST by catfish1957 (Everything I needed to know about Islam was written on 11 Sep 2001)
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You don’t want anyone else to police the world. Except for maybe Britain (including its commonwealth) and Israel, the rest of them are interested in revanchism, expansionism and renewed imperialism in earnest. That means more war.


11 posted on 11/09/2014 10:45:40 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: catfish1957

I disagree. This is EU expansion propaganda. Making the EU bigger and richer is turning them into a bully and a propaganda machine.

I am not saying Putin is perfect or that he doesn’t play into their hands. But this article is a distortion. The line was drawn when Ukraine chose EU over Russia. Putin reacted to that. Now EU wants to act like a disinterested third party just out to help Ukraine. That simply is not true.

Ok I will probably get flamed so I am just telling you I am not staying to fight this out. I just think the rising EU is more dangerous than Putin.

Russia is not going to just bow down and let their economy tank. They will go back to old ways first. The fault will be shared, though. It will forever be an opportunity lost.

Ukraine is too weak to be anything more than someone’s pawn. The question is simply whose pawn do they want to be.


12 posted on 11/09/2014 10:47:08 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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The EU all together doesn’t have the backbone to attack the dollar. The US eliminated their waste and no Union can keep up.


13 posted on 11/09/2014 10:50:52 PM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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Ok I will probably get flamed so I am just telling you I am not staying to fight this out. I just think the rising EU is more dangerous than Putin.

I can see your point, as in evidence to Europe's history during the past 100 years. However, I do think you are over estimating the efficacy of the EU though. I still think it will eventually viewed as a failed experiment. The possible exit of the UK is already a leading indicator precursor.

China on the other hand is the threat that will be our most imminent and dangerous threat in the next 25-50 years.

14 posted on 11/09/2014 10:56:55 PM PST by catfish1957 (Everything I needed to know about Islam was written on 11 Sep 2001)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I love your thoughtful comments. I learn so much reading threads like this. This is a great thread for developing thoughts and ideas and opinions about that very complex part of the world and how it fits into the even bigger picture. Thanks!


15 posted on 11/09/2014 11:41:06 PM PST by Weirdad (Orthodox Americanism: It's what's good for the world! (Not communofascism!))
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Another point to the future of the EU. Our country outside 1850-1880, has remained pretty harmonious as far as social dynamics. It works well for us.

Versus...... Europe which has the events of (1) Pented up 1500 years of issues and arguments. (2)Extreme diverse cultural and language issues. A lot of this will eventually unravel the EU.

16 posted on 11/10/2014 12:01:06 AM PST by catfish1957 (Everything I needed to know about Islam was written on 11 Sep 2001)
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US Citizen: Stop Obama now or pay now!

I like that one...until we fix our own nation...other countries are going to have to fend for themselves...the US is in no position right now to aid anyone...not until Socialist Big Brother Barry (SBBB) gets out of office!


17 posted on 11/10/2014 2:01:37 AM PST by BCW (ARMIS EXPOSCERE PACEM)
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They are already steeped in accusations of corruption and conflicts of interest. But they keep expanding....and the accountability of those who run it to the people themselves is not good.

Plus they are overall liberal and anti-Israel.

I don’t see why they are allowed to sanction their competition. That seems like a conflict of interest and gives them an unfair advantage. Putin said it was like blackmail. He has a point. Of course Putin does not help himself with the military action. I think he feels he has no choice. That or he is just mad.


18 posted on 11/10/2014 2:02:16 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Olog-hai

That’s nice, but . . .

America is facing a long list of other external threats, including Iran, ISIS, Al Qaeda, North Korea, and China.

America is facing a long list of internal threats, including Obamacare, $500B deficits, abortion mandates, gun grabbing, compulsory participation in gay marriage, FedGov snooping, speech codes that infringe on free speech, a flood of illegal aliens, a shrinking work force, “too big to fail” and related crony capitalist policies, and the rest of the damage that the far left fringe has inflicted or exacerbated over the past six terrible years.

Worst of all, America is led by the most incompetent and least loyal occupant our White House has ever experienced, a man who personifies evil. Kasparov is a bright man. I hope he doesn’t seriously think that Obama will make any of these problems better, let alone successfully stand up to Putin.


19 posted on 11/10/2014 2:15:39 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Sure.

Imagine Italian and French armies stuck in epic snow, with Russian tanks closing in ...

Germans know the word. Stalingrad ...


20 posted on 11/10/2014 3:41:38 AM PST by trotskylvalia (where nose meets the grindstone)
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