Back in the day, it was said to be the tallest building in Moscow. Because you could see Siberia from its basement.
Posted on 11/16/2014 1:47:56 PM PST by McGruff
Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko claimed his country was "prepared for total war" as fighting continued around the pro-Russian rebel stronghold of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine.
Fresh volleys of artillery fire were heard across many parts of Donetsk yesterday (local time), fuelling fears of a military build-up amongst rebel forces
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Oh, so they’re Jewish “Kapos,” literally Jewish persecutors of other Jews, filing in when the Nazis go on break? When are the mods going to zot this Russian troll?
I’m not saying it but your constant posting of propaganda pictures showing Jews as supporters of known supremacist group begging to post something like this.
I don't think others who make loans to Ukraine would need to worry...unless the loan makers were planning on invading three Ukraine oblasts.
Very dishonest of you.
The full quote is “We are prepared for a scenario of total war... we don’t want war, we want peace and we are fighting for European values. But Russia does not respect any agreement ....”
The point is that Ukraine is prepared to resist Putin’s imperial ambitions: total war waged by the warmonger Putin.
Not only "supporters" Russkie, leading the so-called "supremacist group". Want to know where I got those photographs to begin with? From a Russkie anti-semite, a supporter of your regime just like you, probably your neighbor, accusing Right Sector of being under the control of international Jewry, who also claimed that Russia's fight against "Nazism" was just propaganda to cover up a fight against the "Jew-S-A.". With great pleasure I took those photos from him!
Your lies are eternal. Look at this double speaking Russkie troll who signed up in March or so to tell us how conservative Putin is and how Nazi the Ukrainians are, and then tells us these are "known supremacist groups" even when the people who "know" this are the Russian liars and propagandists on RT and other places. You're a filthy liar, Russkie, spreading the lies of your masters here on this forum without shame.
Right Sector is a conglomoration of Right-wing groups whose anti-semites, a desperate minority, were long expelled. That is why these Jews have no problem leading these battalions into battle to save Ukraine against your evil empire. Not because they are self-hating Nazi Jews, but because they love Ukraine, unlike the Red Commies like you and your master Putin.
Currently, the most virulent strains of anti-Semitism are found in Russia. Since you seem so well versed in information from that part of the world, you no doubt are familiar with the vicious anti-Semitic slurs many prominent Russians close to Putin have been making against Ukraine’s current elected leadership. Yatsenyuk, the prime minister is part Jewish, and the fact features in the racist polemics coming out of Russia. Poroshenko, while not Jewish as far as I know, is similarly described as though that would be a reason to discredit him.
Your suggestion that Ukrainian patriots who are Jewish are somehow akin to kapos in Nazi Germany is absolutely disgraceful. If you had any sense of shame, you would withdraw.
Guys like him do not experience anything like “shame.” It’s a foreign concept to bootlicking supporters of the “former” Soviet regime in Moscow.
Any direct links to anti-Semitic statements of ‘prominent’ figures?
And what patriots are you talking about? No Jew in a sane mind would march under Wolfsangel emblem borrowed by Right Sector from Das Reich SS.
quote-pay back its loans
I’d say the loans erased by what russia took from
Ukraine, they took Crimea and areas in the east,
and stripped the country of 70 billion, and charged them
twice the world price for gas for years stole their gold,
Be like china taking Alaska and still expect to
get paid the money we owe them on the gov debt they hold..
I had no idea that to be a Ukrainian patriot meant that one belonged to Right Sector. To put it in perspective, the Ukrainian parliament is composted of 450 members. Exactly one of them belongs to Right Sector.
There is a common misconception (well, a LIE) put forward by the Russkies that Right Sector is a Nazi organization. The pictures I showed were, in fact, of Ukrainian Jews in Right Sector, of two leaders, actually. Bezler is the Chief of Communications for Right Sector and was involved from the very beginning. Chazin is a battalion commander. They even use the Star of David on their patches. Right Sector isn't just one group. It is many different right-wing groups in Ukraine that are joined up under that banner. Once of those groups, an obviously racial one, was expelled early on:
"Founding groups included Trident (Tryzub), led by Dmytro Yarosh and Andriy Tarasenko; and the Ukrainian National Assembly–Ukrainian National Self-Defense (UNA–UNSO), a political/paramilitary organization.[5][6] Other founding groups included Patriot of Ukraine, the Social-National Assembly, White Hammer, and Carpathian Sich. White Hammer was expelled in March 2014.[7] In June 2014 one of the groups was assigned by the Interior Ministry to surveil Mariupol after it captured the city from Russian-backed insurgents.[8]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector
Right Sector is called "far right wing" because they advocate fighting Russia and second amendment type rights for every Ukrainian. Naturally, those make them very bad. By the way, the "Wolfsangel" thing is a Svoboda symbol, not Right Sector.
You are of course correct. So many lies packed into one post. One could make a career out of answering all of them. I had time to answer only one.
Nato nor the US will go to war over Ukraine. Putin’s got his Ports, Crimea and South Pipeline bypassing Ukraine so he’s moved on....additionally Kornokopsy nutcase is keeping the firefights going with both sides by his antics....he wants the area to continue in combat so his militia’s just keep it going...... For that.... Putin gets a live conflict on his border which the EU will not further it’s plans for Ukraine much further until that’s no longer the case.
Poroshenko is simply frustrated things have been stonewalled...so he’s letting that be known in hopes Nato will jump into the fray so he can get on with his agenda for Ukraine. He’s an Oligarch and they are still running Ukraine but unable to to get their bandwagon going much at all.
Poroshenko has spent millions of his own money to support the Maidan. You're just trying to make it sound like Ukraine is run by criminals because you can't repeat your old lie that it's run by Nazis.
This expression “total war” is generally misunderstood. It does not mean war by any means, but rather war mobilizing all the resources of a people and their country.
Even so, Ukraine (like all the countries bordering the USSR except perhaps China) is unable to stand against a concerted Russian attack. They can fight back, or surrender. This is a purposeful Russian attack, designed to divide, partition, and bleed its neighbors. Russia, essentially reverting to its primitive state as a land of pillagers, must prey on its neighbors.
This has already been done to various countries before and after WWII. Russia attacked and partitioned Finland, Poland, Hungary, Romania, in addition to capturing the Baltic states. In recent years they twice took large areas of Georgia, and seized Crimea outright. They now are trying to bite off and digest another section of Ukraine, the aim being to weaken its neighbor.
It is useless to deal with the Russians on a normal basis, as one would with a more civilized nation. They cannot be trusted at all, in any area of activity. Never, never, never trust the Russians!
Back in the day, it was said to be the tallest building in Moscow. Because you could see Siberia from its basement.
You guys may say Nazis are the minority whenever you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that they have influence and feared by the government.
Poroshenko is clearly appreasing them, just think of the pure symbolism of his ‘totale krieg’ speech.
If he wasn’t looking to look like Goebbels to please bastards he could have used absolutely different rhetorics yet deliver the same message.
BTW, the fact that Wolfsangel is not an official symbol and Nazis aren’t a majority in Kiev doesn’t change the fact that people in Eastern Ukraine, including Jews and older WWII survivors observing them on a daily basis because they are heavily represented with pro-government militias.
What do you know about facts, filthy Commie? Even as you talk about facts, you twist Poroshenko's speech explicitly for European values into a Nazi proclamation. You are an evil, lying swine who needs to be zotted off this forum.
BTW, the fact that Wolfsangel is not an official symbol and Nazis aren’t a majority in Kiev doesn’t change the fact that people in Eastern Ukraine, including Jews and older WWII survivors observing them on a daily basis
The Jews do observe, Russkie. That is why Jewish groups have publicly denounced Russian claims of Ukrainian anti-semitism and Naziism and are even fighting and leading Right Sector battalions. You just got done calling these Jews "Kapos" remember, Troll?
~What do you know about facts, filthy Commie? ~
Commie-schwommie. We have long time ago established that you have no idea who commies are, you don’t have basic understanding of evils of leftism and basically makes zero sense spilling insults like that.
I also told numerous time that you need to chill too, or you would die of stroke very soon.
....”Poroshenko has spent millions of his own money to support the Maidan. You’re just trying to make it sound like Ukraine is run by criminals”....
Maiden is history and who cares where the money comes from as long as it flows...US and Eu have certainly outdone Poroshenko if you’re going to compare who has foolishy invested in Ukraine.
I don’t have to “sound like” Ukraine is run by criminals...it is run by Oligarchs fighting among themselves...and as of date it looks like Poroshenko is yielding to Yatz’s warmongering he’s been doing from the get go.
Yatz lusts for a war between Russia and Nato because he knows very well that Ukraine cannot come above the status quo it’s been in for decades without it and Ukraine alone cannot alter it’s Government operations, which is why Yatx intitially walked out of the Rada.
Ukraine certainly wouldn’t win against Russia...and Poroshenko knows it. But he wants a peaceful solution...Yatz wants war. So Kiev’s new government is at ends with itself...just as we said it would be. The Oligarchs, Yatz and Poroshenko have been infighting for months now for dominance. Each wants what each wants and they’ve conflicted.
What Poroshenko doesn’t get, though he’s fast getting there as his recent statement they would be going to war, is everybody has moved on from Ukraine and will continue to do so. Ukraine will never become a EU Member in this generation...it doesn’t matter if Ukraine has a “frozen Conflict” or Hot Ukraine’s history has always been at war or revolution....did you expect a different outcome just because the US was funding the coup and strong-armed an unwilling EU to go along????...and this simply because they wanted to use Ukraine as reason to stop Putin’s uniting further with the EU or gain any further power on the International Stage...as was done in Syria etc.
Just take a look at the positioning of Putin at APEC meet ....front and center....and then at the G-20 where all the BRIC Nations were featured front and center with China as central. Obama was positioned closer in the grand lineup at the G-20 because they still need him for a time. But it was China and Brics who are heading things currently ....
None of the International community is interested in taking on Ukraine without guarantees they can strip it of it’s resources and make it a total debtor state. Eu can no longer afford Ukraine’s debt and watch to see them wiggle out of the billions promised now. They’ve all moved on.
Therefore Poroshenko knows the only way now to get the attention is to threaten there will be war....he yielded to Yatz...and it looks like they’ve targeted it for Spring...which is also why we’re hearing him now.
Like it or not the Oligarch’s remain in charge of Ukraine and nothings changed except for the great losses Kiev would have had otherwise. In fact Donbass is doing now everything that Maidne was suppose to do for Ukraine!! They are operating independently from Kiev alone. And complaining daily that Russia isn’t helping enough...so they’ve gone it alone.
We will not be seeing any advancement for Ukraine’s people any time soon...nor much if at all in the future. Russia doesn’t need them and neither does the EU. only in regards to using them to affect Russia’s advancement and currently the sanctions are doing plenty enough....so Ukraine is “talked” about but you’re not going to see them do much more than arm them.
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