Posted on 12/05/2014 7:38:23 AM PST by Enterprise
Cardiac arrest because of what they did to him. And I’ve got eyes, PLUS I’ve been put in one of these one armed choke holds, many years ago. I called the police because my drunk husband wouldn’t let me and the kids into the house and he was making faces at us through the window. But it was late and I’d worked all day and was only 4 weeks post partum, with a critically ill infant in the hospital, so I just cut to the chase and called the cops. The one that answered the call was in a foul mood and hadn’t wanted to answer a call (he said so) so far, and maybe not a domestic call. Bill was obviously drunk and out of control, but I was the one who said “Nevermind!” and walked away to lay head on the car. I was exhausted. He snatched me up in a choke hold and dragged me backwards across the yard. Even husband sobered up and tried to tell him, I’d just had a C-Sec and there were these workmen working on the parking lot next door and their mouths were hanging open. He forced me down on the ground, which made my scar start bleeding. Threw me in jail for resisting arrest. How could I have resisted??? He had me by the throat.
Cops just overreact sometimes. Caused me years of fear and trepidation around them.
“Merely resisting” arrest? You do know that that is a crime, and a felony if physical force is used?
Devo rocks.
Yep
I would prefer a nightstick, but some whiners already complained about that; some people won’t be happy until the police are reduced to asking nicely like in England.
I did not watch the whole video but assumed there had to be more to the story than what the media stated. I will go back and see if what you say fits. Thanks for enlightening me.
I’m so sorry to read of this experience. I feel ill at what happened to you.
Thanks for posting. It does help me to remember that cops will lie. And even “official reports” and autopsies can be fabricated to support their version of events.
It was 27 years ago. I never fought it, I couldn’t, too traumatic for me.
But I’m ok now and on to greater trials and tribulations! (cancer)
I’ll be ok 2nd
And what would you have had me do? Fight the police network? I had two kids at home and one fighting for his preemie life in the hospital. And a drunk husband. It was all I could do to put one foot ahead of the other, back then. Life was hard and I was stupid (for staying with husband, but I was sort of trapped)
And if you’re saying I did resist arrest and that was a felony, then you didn’t read what I wrote. There was no arrest until after he dragged me backwards across the yard and then put me in cuffs, tight, tight cuffs. He was going to hurt someone, for his inconvenience in coming out. It was me.
Yes the laws of probability. When you taz an elderly person they will probably have a stroke. If 4 cops wrestle an obese middle aged man to the ground he will probably have a heart attack. Determining "reasonable force" for specific suspects is the real issue here.
It has NOTHING to do with race, or untaxed cancer sticks and everything to do with police conduct.
I guess so.
“During his testimony before the grand jury, Pantaleo denied using a chokehold on Garner, saying he applied “a takedown move as he was taught in the [Police] Academy,” London said.”
“He testified in the grand jury that he utilized the techniques that he was trained with in the police academy,” Pantaleo’s attorney, Stuart London, told CBS2’s Kramer. “He was attempting to do a take-down move, which he was taught in the academy. He never intended to apply any force to the individual’s neck, and any contact with the neck was incidental.”
It wasn’t a choke hold.
The grand jury didn’t believe it was a choke hold, and neither do I.
In fact, I know it wasn’t a choke hold, because I know what a choke hold is and that wasn’t a choke hold.
Here, let’s learn what choke holds are, and what they do, and how fast they do it, so that we can stop engaging in falshoods and ignorance.
Rear Naked Choke demonstration and result-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UGkHctUq6U
Anaconda choke demonstration-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74PXBEJr3Mg
Guillotine choke demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh2y2TqALyc
He wasn’t killed by a choke hold, because a choke hold was never used.
He may well have been killed by the increased excitement of the act of being arrested, but he wasn’t, in fact, killed by the policeman who took him down.
Knowledge is power.
I like the ASP. You get compliance just by deploying it. It is a telescoping nightstick. Pretty cool, and it is unobtrusive.
That isn’t a choke hold.
It’s a take down.
If anything, it looked like a poorly applied sleeper hold, which isn’t a choke either.
Stills continue to operate all over the country. Speaking for myself, I've never bought any, although I have a budy who shares his home brewed Guiness.
Indeed they do, and more than a few of the recipients of that overreaction make a B-line for law school.
Not me, I went on to later homeschool my kids and be a stay-at-home mom.
Fortunately, my husband let me do that.
If it was a sleeper hold, he would have gone under during it.
His hand was clearly still tense during the length of the maneuver, so it did not knock him out.
I believe it was a takedown, because that is definitely what the move achieved, and it was released very shortly thereafter.
I do believe he did die very shortly after being cuffed though.
I no longer believe that he died in the ambulance or at the hospital.
I definitely think that the overall stress of the incident combined with his weight and the weight of the men pinching him between the sidewalk and themselves may have been the cause.
I mean, whatever it was, it took effect quickly.
But I don’t believe that any of those many intended to kill him at anytime. I believe his death was accidental.
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