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Stupid Gruber Faces House Oversight Ctte (Live Thread 9:30 ET)
C-SPAN 3 ^ | December 9, 2014 | C-SPAN

Posted on 12/09/2014 6:15:01 AM PST by NautiNurse

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To: SE Mom

Mr. Gruber is very smart, except for today. Today he’s being stupid. Funny how that happens.


481 posted on 12/09/2014 10:17:43 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: SE Mom

Gruber is sticking to his glib script, though it is reducing him to the lying, political, arrogant, scam artist he is.


482 posted on 12/09/2014 10:18:14 AM PST by maggief
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This gruber and Tavenner are not human.
Go ahead place your head against their chest, and search for a heartbeat.
You won't find one, because they have no heart.
483 posted on 12/09/2014 10:19:34 AM PST by novemberslady
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Issa missed a great opportunity:

“Cost fell in my model”

Issa: “But not in reality”

Gruber: fill in the blank

Issa: “So, you built the model to sell the scheme, not to actually predict the outcome of the scheme, correct? I ask this Mr. Gruber, because I don’t think there’s a person in America that thinks you are stupid. You helped sell this toxic waste dump to the United States of America. Before you answer my question, consider that if you answer “I built it to sell the model”, then you are still a genius. If you answer, “I built it to model the outcome,” then you will be publicly verifying that you are either LYING or INCOMPETENT, and possibly both depending on the handwaving you did in the code to arrive at such a blatantly incorrect forecast.

So, Mr. Gruber, which is it: Did you build the model to sell Obamacare, or did you build it to predict the economic outcome of it?”


484 posted on 12/09/2014 10:22:27 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: novemberslady

That’s what happens when power is more important than truth. We become animals.


485 posted on 12/09/2014 10:23:25 AM PST by cornelis
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To: maggief

Ain’t no joy in those chickees behind the stupid one.


486 posted on 12/09/2014 10:23:44 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: novemberslady

Gruber won’t admit he lied. He “conjectured.” (repeatedly saying this)


487 posted on 12/09/2014 10:24:43 AM PST by locountry1dr (Political correctness kills)
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To: locountry1dr

“Conjecture”

Drink!


488 posted on 12/09/2014 10:25:37 AM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Tom Rice - SC - R
Has found out there is a Gruber lie and there is Gruber Conjecture

But what was on the videos according to Gruber in earlier testimony was the truth.


489 posted on 12/09/2014 10:25:53 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Apparatchik

Gruber won’t say he was on the panel.


490 posted on 12/09/2014 10:26:14 AM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“Not very detail oriented for someone who is detail oriented.”

+++++++++++++++

Wonder who Gruber’s attorney is and who’s footing the bill.


491 posted on 12/09/2014 10:26:59 AM PST by maggief
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To: cornelis

So, was it a lie when you said it in 2012, or is it a lie today?


492 posted on 12/09/2014 10:28:02 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: RinaseaofDs

Exactly! And why or how is one economist smarter than thousands of actuaries in the actual health care field???


493 posted on 12/09/2014 10:28:51 AM PST by txhurl (No more taglines)
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To: txhurl

Hope, not confidence IMHO.

Kagan explicitly states, in another opinion, that it’s not the Judiciaries job to second guess Congresses wording. If she votes to uphold the Federal Exchange subsidies, shell be completely discredited and exposedfor the feckless hypocrite we think she is.

Not that it matters with a lifetime employment.


494 posted on 12/09/2014 10:29:07 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: locountry1dr
Isn't 'conjecture' an opinion based on incomplete information? Didn't Gruber SUPPLY the information? Wasn't his micromodel, or whatever he calls it, supplying the information based on the data given to him. So which was incomplete? The data, his model, or both.

And I thought Gruber was supposed to be so smart.

495 posted on 12/09/2014 10:29:42 AM PST by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: locountry1dr
conjecturing...nice catch all.

He should be more concerned than he is.
496 posted on 12/09/2014 10:29:46 AM PST by novemberslady
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To: tanknetter

It’s peeling an onion. They’re putting Gruber in a box. His only defense so far has been that he was just a numbers cruncher, he had nothing to do with the writing the bill or the politics in selling it-i.e. he was/is not a political adviser, his arrogant comments were his speaking as a private citizen who basically was conjecturing as he had not real knowledge of the political machinations of the Obamacare debate and passage.

Subsequent steps - establish how much he was paid for his work. In detail, what did he do to earn the money? Ask him to provide the methodology in his reports and also those reports.

How many times was he at the WH? Who did he meet with and what was discussed while he was at the WH?

Read the parts of the bill that he made the glib comments about (Cadillac tax, exchange subsidies) and ask him to reconcile what the bill says and his comments.


497 posted on 12/09/2014 10:30:17 AM PST by randita (Obama entrusted the transformation of the best healthcare system in the world to a scam artist.)
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To: maggief

Resume:

http://economics.mit.edu/files/9877

CBO Long Term Modeling Advisory Group, 2000-2010


498 posted on 12/09/2014 10:32:23 AM PST by maggief
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To: randita

Good Lord, Cummings is back doing what he does best...


499 posted on 12/09/2014 10:32:31 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away)
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To: Apparatchik

Cumming running his mouth again and saying nothing except he said:...

“Conjecture”

Drink....twice.


500 posted on 12/09/2014 10:32:59 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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