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How Big Is the Ted Cruz Caucus?
Roll Call's #WGDB Blog ^ | December 14, 2014 | Steven Dennis

Posted on 12/14/2014 10:49:21 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: PieterCasparzen
Sure it is - you're coercing people for their own (supposed) spiritual good./bp>

I notice this is the only point you addressed - still no support for your claimed distinction between alcohol and other drugs.

You don't know this basic fundamental Biblical doctrine ?

I don't believe that anything about government is a "basic fundamental" Biblical doctrine.

The civil government and it's laws are not for the spiritual good of lawbreakers.

Romans 13:4 (NIV): "For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good." (emphasis added)

141 posted on 12/19/2014 7:53:17 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

The distinction between alcohol and drugs is obvious to anyone not playing games.

The civil government bears the sword to function as a restraint on evil, which is a blessing to the elect.

It doesn’t eliminate evil, it does not convert anyone to Christ. It just punishes lawbreakers, which is a blessing to the elect.

Now, go post something other than drug legalization propaganda just to make it look good.

Your propaganda is showing.


142 posted on 12/19/2014 7:59:28 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
The distinction between alcohol and drugs is obvious to anyone not playing games.

All your attempted arguments have been rebutted so you resort to a declaration of "obvious." Sad.

Romans 13:4 (NIV): "For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good." (emphasis added)

The civil government bears the sword to function as a restraint on evil, which is a blessing to the elect.

It doesn’t eliminate evil, it does not convert anyone to Christ. It just punishes lawbreakers, which is a blessing to the elect.

And yet I'm the only one who's actually supported his position with a quotation from the Bible.

143 posted on 12/19/2014 8:15:45 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Titus 3:10 “A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;”


144 posted on 12/19/2014 8:30:22 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Scripture supports your fleeing as little as it does any of your previous arguments. Toodle-oo.
145 posted on 12/19/2014 9:56:08 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Pontiac

Portman should aim to be a Pete Wilson or Scott Brown type of RINO.

Portman is better on immigration than many of the self professed social conservatives like Ayotte, Rubio and Rand. He is a RINO but he is more informed than Rand, Rubio and probably most of the Senate on the issue.

He was the actual moderate while Schumer rammed through the 1986 amnesty.

http://cis.org/tale-of-two-senators

But he believed that the bill, far from solving the problem of worker verification, would compound it, extending the past failures far into the future. Rather than showing Congress’s ability to solve problems, he believed, it would demonstrate its capacity to perpetuate them. He was convinced that the promised reform would prove to be a damaging policy failure.

IRCA’S Shadow

Portman was haunted by IRCA’s failure. He saw it as corrosive not only of immigration control but also of public trust in government. “The 1986 bill casts a long shadow on this place,” Portman said in his June 26 exchange with Schumer, “and we’ve got to be sure we don’t repeat those mistakes.”

SNIP

Without effective verification, there can be no effective enforcement of the borders. Without effective enforcement, there can be no immigration reform worthy of the name. The choice for the House is clear: legislate or pretend.17

Portman believed that the Senate bill was a form of pretending. He thought that worker verification had been compromised to placate powerful political interests, just as it had been in 1986.

“Look, it is, frankly, not a very popular part of the legislation, and over the years it hasn’t been,” Portman said on June 26. “In 1986 it wasn’t. That is why it was never implemented, because there is sort of an unholy alliance among employers, among those representing labor union members, among those representing certain constituent groups who feel there might be some discrimination or other issues.”


146 posted on 12/20/2014 6:04:18 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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