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Ohio transgender teen’s suicide note plea for change, education
http://www.reviewjournal.com ^ | 01/01/2015 | By ASHLEY FANTZ

Posted on 01/01/2015 8:16:14 AM PST by redreno

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To: redreno

A few thoughts.

Lets enter this through the correct steps.

1) It is a behavior, not who you are.
2) Is this behavior a good one for the individual and society?
3) What causes the behavior?
4) now what do we do? based on the above?

But the intent of the article is to validate the behavior without discussing the above points.

I suspect this was an imprinted behavior REINFORCED by other juveniles, not adults. Do some research on imprinting.

The advice from counselors was good, turn God to change. Was it followed? I don’t know but it is hard to change. But the advice is still good. Most change requires a Higher Power, bigger picture, recognizing it is behavior not who I am, and the WANT TO CHANGE.

The imprinting from our youth is hard to overcome, and if done right it is a good thing but not if it is perverted.


21 posted on 01/01/2015 8:45:39 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: RWGinger

I will repeat to you, it is a behavior, it is not who you are.


22 posted on 01/01/2015 8:47:42 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: redreno

He would have made one butt ugly girl.


23 posted on 01/01/2015 8:52:27 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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To: ducttape45

Truth is more hated than Lies. (Machiavelli).

All people who stand for Truth and don’t cave to Satanism or Evil or Lies are vilified and demeaned or killed since the beginning of history. US started this over a hundred years ago-—using taxpayer money and public schools to condition and force children in believing Lies.

All media and public schools are used to force the “proper” perceptions which will create “Happy” (drugged) Slaves for the State. Truth hasn’t been allowed in the public schools (using UNJUST LAW which is unconstitutional law) for over 50 years now.


24 posted on 01/01/2015 8:54:37 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: redreno

Transgenderism is a mental disorder. Mentally ill people need professional treatment to deal with their disorders. They do not need to be respected and given allowances to permit them acting out their disorders.

Just like a schizophrenic needs professional help and not given rights to act out his schizophrenia because he truly is a schizophrenic inside and we need to let him be schizophrenic and embrace his schizophrenic identity.


25 posted on 01/01/2015 8:56:32 AM PST by caligatrux (Rage, rage against the dying of the light.)
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To: RWGinger
I do believe some people really feel they are not the gender their body is.

Fixed false beliefs that are resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact (delusions) are not rare. It is somewhat rare, although well-known, for delusions to lead to self-mutilation.

It is absolutely, positively, 100% new and very disturbing for sane persons in positions of authority to support and enable a particular species of delusion like this.

26 posted on 01/01/2015 8:58:21 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: RWGinger
I don’t know if it is being born in wr0ng body but I do believe some people really feel they are not the gender their body is. It is really an extreme feeling when you’d rather die than keep living the gender of your body. There are children who never heard of LGBT who say they know are not the gender of their body. Do you believe there are gays and lesbians?

The suicide rate among post-op transgenders is huge -- much, much higher than the rest of the population on average, and higher than the suicide rate of pre-op transgenders, as well.

Transgenderism is a mental disorder, and it needs to be treated as such. These people need help, not "tolerance", and letting them live their mental disorders out as normal is killing them.
27 posted on 01/01/2015 9:01:22 AM PST by caligatrux (Rage, rage against the dying of the light.)
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To: __rvx86

Please note the sarcasm symbol on that statement...


28 posted on 01/01/2015 9:01:54 AM PST by ArtDodger
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To: ducttape45

at the feet of the LGBT crowd who perpetuate the lie of being born in the wrong body.


Some kids claim to be “dinosaurs.” Should we accommodate that fantasy as well?


29 posted on 01/01/2015 9:02:10 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: ArtDodger

Whoops...I thought that was a smily. —> :/


30 posted on 01/01/2015 9:03:46 AM PST by __rvx86 (A non-trivial fear: Government by my peers. Double points if you can figure out when I was born.)
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To: redreno

Mental illness is sad. It’s even sadder when liberals celebrate and encourage that mental illness. I was born male, with brown hair and green eyes, and that is all genetic - wishing won’t change any of those facts. Even pretending that my eyes are not green will not change their color - they are green, it’s just a fact. Even mutilating my genitals would not change my sex - I’m male, it’s just a fact.

This poor guy was told repeatedly that if he just pretended hard enough and others played make believe with him, he could become a girl. Telling that lie to a mentally ill kid is child abuse.


31 posted on 01/01/2015 9:04:23 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: redreno

It is nice to see some movement on a subject that has been mired in 1950’s psychology. It is interesting that a such a “disease” that requires such drastic mutilation, has not been researched using post-millennial tools and techniques. When someone is “diagnosed” as transgender where are the CAT scans, MRIs, blood work, DNA work and other diagnostic techniques that would search for biological causation? None.

Where are the psychological diagnostic instruments that would confirm or deny? None.

Where are the trials of antipsychotics, antianxiety agents and psychotherapy to test the contents of the patient’s beliefs? None.

Where is the research about diagnostic decisions trees that include biological paradigms? None.

Instead we are told that the patient makes the diagnosis. Because they have felt like the opposite sex from their DNA since they can remember. Not accounting for the fact that in delusional processes, the past is incorporated in the delusions i.e.: when I treat the secretary who thinks she is the Queen of England, although her delusional onset may be recent (within a matter of months or days, at times) her delusions will include memories of being a child-queen, for acute delusional processes are often seamless.

Parents who arrive at schools and clinics with children dressed and raised as their DNA opposites are hailed as brave instead of studied as classic cases of Munchhausen by Proxy where parents seek attention by making up and believing the child is different, ill or diseased and providing symptoms and evidence to back the parent’s need.

McHugh is doing a service by raising these important issues in a world blinded by political correctness that engenders fear


32 posted on 01/01/2015 9:05:35 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: redreno

Mental disorders like this that are dubiously forced to be accepted and encouraged as a good, are still in truth a mental disorder...no amount of public support changes that fact.

Mental disorders like this, many times lead to suicide.


33 posted on 01/01/2015 9:08:07 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: RWGinger

Do you believe there are gays and lesbians?


There are people who are “sexually attracted” to various animals and even inanimate objects such as cars and lamps. Should we redefine “normal” to accommodate their mental illness?

There are several semi-famous people who’ve spent good money on tattoos and body modifications because they believed they were in the wrong body and were really tigers, lizards and, in one delusional woman’s case, a demonic vampire.

If I claim to be a wealthy guy trapped in a poor dude’s skin will the government help me discover my true self?


34 posted on 01/01/2015 9:08:41 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Texas Eagle

Yup. Grab your kids and run. Get rid of the tv while you’re at it - it’s just as bad or worse.


35 posted on 01/01/2015 9:11:30 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: Chickensoup

Where are the psychological diagnostic instruments that would confirm or deny? None.


Behaviors are complex. There is seldom just one cause, it is several things coming together.

Can we pinpoint why Hitler, Stalin and Mao killed millions of people?

But we don’t like the answer that it is complex, because it means we are not in control of the situation. So where does that leave us? We correct children’s behavior, at least we used to when we knew what was right and wrong behavior. Every little correction kept us on course..........


36 posted on 01/01/2015 9:19:10 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: RWGinger

You are born male and female only unless severe abnormality which is just that——All behaviors or desires are created by the environment. People who hate themselves and the Design of their Body—learn to hate it starting in infancy by the reaction of parents and then of peers to themselves. Little harem boys in Afghanistan today, learn to lust after other males and boys (and goats since all sex morality is erased) and grow up to hate women and use them like cattle (for breeders only where polygamy is rampant).

Childhood experiences creates the “perceptions” which are embedded into the subconscious. If kids see sodomites and pederasts 24/7, like the Samurai and Spartans, that behavior is “Normal”.

Christianity flipped Good and Evil—and using humans as Objects for Lust—or in degrading irrational ways (like sodomy always does)-—they changed Pagan Ethics in Western Civ. Pederasty and homosexuality is still very prevalent and “normal” in non-Christian cultures. Behavior is learned and modeled.

It is like saying people who rape goats are born with the desire to rape goats. NO. That is absurd. It is against Logic and Reason and Natural Law as is sodomy and homosexuality and pederasty.

All the gender cr*p (women’s studies/queer studies) is pure Marxist theory which is designed to group people, and destroy Virtue in humans (Teaches Lies as Truth to little children and destroys Christian Ethics which created Individual Natural Rights from God and the Age of Reason and Modern Science.

Marxists have to destroy Individuality and Reason and Virtue for their collective slavery. So they have to condition children to believe there is no God, no Design in Nature, and sex ed ( Cultural Marxism/Lukacs) is used to destroy Virtue and Natural Law (bases of Justice). As Aristotle knew in his Nicomachean Ethics thousands of years ago-—without Virtue taught and learned by young children-—you collapse culture.

Without Virtue, civil society collapses. That is what this Sex perversion does-—destroys Reason and Logic in children and the possibility of being Wise (discerning Good and Evil). They will never think like a Washington or Jefferson or Lincoln or Wilberforce.

The indoctrination in public schools has been going on to flip Good and Evil and erase Christianity-—since before John Dewey, the Socialist who destroyed our moral code for Moral Relativism (which is antithetical to our Constitution and Objective Truth and God).


37 posted on 01/01/2015 9:20:01 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ducttape45
the blame is being put at the feet of the Christian parents

Of course it is. You know what intolerant, hate-filled zealots THEY are ... Imagine the insensitivity of a parent refusing to allow their son to dress in girls' clothes and have sex with males. I mean, really!

38 posted on 01/01/2015 9:25:09 AM PST by IronJack
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Schizophrenics often feel like they are in a body that is not their own.

Schizophrenia commonly starts in the early teen years when the brain is rewiring itself.

So, yes; it is likely untreated mental illness.


39 posted on 01/01/2015 9:41:18 AM PST by seowulf (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. Cogito.---Ambrose Bierce)
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To: Jeff Chandler

That was exactly my first thought.
What about the poor truck driver!


40 posted on 01/01/2015 9:45:27 AM PST by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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