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Half of Obamacare subsidy recipients may owe refunds to the IRS
Washington Examiner ^ | 01/03/2015 | Justin Green

Posted on 01/03/2015 6:45:06 AM PST by SeekAndFind

As many as 3.4 million people who received Obamacare subsidies may owe refunds to the federal government, according to an estimate by a tax preparation firm.

H&R Block is estimating that as many as half of the 6.8 million people who received insurance premium subsidies under the Affordable Care Act benefited from subsidies that were too large, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

“The ACA is going to result in more confusion for existing clients, and many taxpayers may well be very disappointed by getting less money and possibly even owing money," the president of a tax preparation and education school told the Journal.

While the Affordable Care Act fines those who don't have health insurance, it also provides subsidies for people making up to four times the federal poverty line ($46,680).

But the subsidies are based on past tax returns, so many people may be receiving too much, according to Vanderbilt University assistant professor John Graves, who projects the average subsidy is $208 too high, the Journal reports.

Tax preparers, who frequently advertise their ability to deliver big refunds, have been working feverishly to avoid customer anger stemming from lower-than-expected refunds due to insurance premiums. They also are trying to make sure customers understand the potential fines for not having insurance.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; irs; irsobamacare; obamacare; obamacaresubsidies; refund
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To: Gaffer

“”They will reduce that payment by the amount you over recovered in the subsidy...””

We can hope they are that smart and do the right thing but will they? Don’t remember the last time they did something right in DC.


21 posted on 01/03/2015 7:20:28 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush

The new congress needs to pass a bill requiring all branches of the government to be subject to Obamacare. Problem solved.


22 posted on 01/03/2015 7:25:20 AM PST by bigtoona
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To: Thank You Rush

You can count on the government to do just one thing: take that money anywhere and everywhere they can get it.

What do they care if their sheep get fleeced a little off their EITC checks? Their sheep probably don’t even know what they’re “due” anyway.

They are too stupid that their votes have already been bought and paid for, and that the farther they progress into that entitlement hole, the less and less government has to give them. They’ll take their slop and like it.

Taken to its logical conclusion when everything has been equalized, they’ll either have to produce or perish. Totalitarian Government will only tolerate dead weight in rise to complete power; it won’t when it attains it.


23 posted on 01/03/2015 7:26:23 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Iron Munro

Haha good point.


24 posted on 01/03/2015 7:27:53 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t be a sucker and pay the fine. The Congress will likely do away with the individual mandate in a year or so.


25 posted on 01/03/2015 7:28:04 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

“Has the IRS suddenly become a benevolent organization that happily ignores a tax debt?”

Are you talking about the same IRS that sends out hundreds of thousands of dollars in bogus refunds to the same address?

They are going to do nothing to collect from anyone that doesn’t have visible assets.


26 posted on 01/03/2015 7:41:51 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wah-wah-wah-wah...

Sorry, you did not win but you are eligible for the booby prize.


27 posted on 01/03/2015 7:47:14 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
Are you talking about the same IRS that sends out hundreds of thousands of dollars in bogus refunds to the same address?
Try millions ... "IRS Sent $46,378,040 in Refunds to 23,994 ‘Unauthorized’ Aliens at 1 Atlanta Address."
28 posted on 01/03/2015 7:51:17 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Iron Munro

Beat me to it


29 posted on 01/03/2015 7:51:33 AM PST by italianquaker
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To: SeekAndFind

Another democrat shell game they are masters of it.


30 posted on 01/03/2015 7:59:43 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Starboard

I’m thinking we’re going to hear some interesting conversations about this scam in the coming year.

The more convoluted it gets, the more complex the [alleged] remedies get. But, hey that’s what democrat politics are all about, isn’t it? ... Create a problem, then create an even bigger fix requiring more government and more taxes to run it.


31 posted on 01/03/2015 8:02:09 AM PST by Baynative (Did you ever notice that atheists don't dare sue Muslims?)
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To: SeekAndFind

So now Obama is going after the lower middle class. That would be the people who pay their mortgages and other bills and depend on that income tax return to pay their property taxes.


32 posted on 01/03/2015 8:18:44 AM PST by grania
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To: SeekAndFind

They are not going to like that. No refund this year?


33 posted on 01/03/2015 8:24:29 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

It passed without a single republican vote.


34 posted on 01/03/2015 8:27:06 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: Straight Vermonter

I believe that’s per person...not per household.


35 posted on 01/03/2015 8:43:10 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: bigtoona
“The new congress needs to pass a bill requiring all branches of the government to be subject to Obamacare. Problem solved.”

You hit the nail on the head. Congress members must laugh themselves silly when they exempt themselves from the punitive and unfair laws they force onto to rest of us. They act with impunity as they consider themselves to be above the law. There is no way these atrocities would pass into law if the lawmakers had to abide by the laws they pass.

36 posted on 01/03/2015 8:45:50 AM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: Sacajaweau
I believe that’s per person...not per household.

Yes it is.

37 posted on 01/03/2015 8:56:02 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
He keeps telling me my wife and I should drop our grandfathered policies (which went up 10% last year and 5% in 2015) and get Obamacare polices. No matter how many times I show him we would pay more and get less, he still thinks we should do it. Liberalism is truly a mental illness.

It is their way of "thinking", which is actually some vague, unformed emotion that tells them if more people suffer something like Obamacare it will become such a crisis that something WILL be done to fix it. That is their attitude regarding Ebola and now AIDS since they want homosexual men to be allowed to donate. It truly is a form of insanity.
38 posted on 01/03/2015 9:25:25 AM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Now they have made too much money and are entitled to no subsidy. Whatever subsidy they received will come out of their tax return (or more likely will be taxes owed).

People that take subsidies in advance are suppose to report any change in income right away so the subsidies can be adjusted or eliminated. The older one is, the larger the subsidies are likely to be. In your chart, a 30 year old making $28,725 might get a subsidy of around $500 a year for a silver plan. A 55 year old making the same would get a subsidy of around $3500 a year. If for some reason near the end of the year they both get an unexpected source of income that puts them over the subsidy limit, the 30 year old may not complain as loud.

39 posted on 01/03/2015 9:33:53 AM PST by EVO X
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To: SeekAndFind

Most will not pay, but I will at least inwardly celebrate any time I hear of a liberal Obama voter getting what he deserves on April 15.


40 posted on 01/03/2015 9:37:06 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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