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Nissan LEAF Drivers Drive More Miles Than Gasmobile Drivers In Europe
CleanTechnica ^ | January 9th, 2015 | Zachary Shahan

Posted on 01/09/2015 10:03:38 AM PST by LogicDesigner

In Europe, at least, drivers of the 100%-electric Nissan LEAF actually drive about 50% more than average drivers of petrol- and diesel-powered cars. This helps to bust the myth that electric cars are inadequate for the average driver, and that electric car drivers don’t drive very much.

It also indicates that Nissan LEAF owners must be saving a lot more money than generally assumed. Electricity for powering a car is much cheaper than petrol or diesel. The average driver will save several thousand dollars (or euros, british pounds, etc.), but someone who actually drives much more than average is going to save a great deal more money.

“Nissan reveals that European owners of its 100 percent electric car, the Nissan LEAF, travel more than 50 percent further per year (10,307 miles) than the European average for a traditional internal combustion-powered vehicle (6,721 miles),” Nissan wrote yesterday.

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One of the key advantages of the LEAF is that drivers can charge at home. Nissan’s data show that about 89% of LEAF drivers charge overnight, while enjoying the comfort of their beds and pillows. (Okay, Nissan didn’t provide data on the beds and pillows, just the overnight charging.)

(Excerpt) Read more at cleantechnica.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: electriccar; electriccars; ev; evs; leaf; nissan; nissanleaf
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To: NorthMountain

That’s true low cost driving.


81 posted on 01/09/2015 2:39:57 PM PST by nascarnation (....)
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To: nascarnation

I live in broke Illinois. They are giving big tax breaks for alternative fuel vehicle owners as well. Even at 57,500 I can buy gasoline cars with similar performance for around 30K..


82 posted on 01/09/2015 2:43:33 PM PST by EVO X
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To: CodeToad
Wow, so many falsehoods all in one post. Let's go through them one by one.

“All these electric cars are costing us taxpayers way too much. I bet if you added up all the government spending an electric car has at least $1 million per vehicle in prior year government (read:taxpayer) spending behind them.”

Since many others did as well, I won't fault you for falling for the “$250,000 in subsidies per Volt” baloney that was published by an EV hater a few years ago. He took all the government grant money and divided it by the first 6,000 Volts that had been sold up until that point. The simple explanation is that since ten times as many have been sold since then, to calculate that number today you would have to divide that number in ten... and that is assuming no more Volts get sold. A more thorough explanation is here.

“Electric cars also result in massive Super Fund environmental cleanup projects.”

100% baloney. Please provide a link supporting this claim or admit that it is just a fact-free assertion. In the meantime, I can find some links to a few oil spills if you like.

“They also run primarily on coal produces electricity; coal, a substance Zero and his ecoterrorists have been putting out of business.”

Coal is not the primary source of electricity. In the United States, it represents less than 40% of generation on average. The other 60% is much, much cleaner: natural gas, nuclear, and hydro. Furthermore, electric cars are sold in greatest numbers in states that tend to use much less coal than the 40% average, like California.

83 posted on 01/09/2015 2:45:26 PM PST by LogicDesigner
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To: nascarnation

It is. I intend to run it until it starts to become a maintenance hog.


84 posted on 01/09/2015 2:47:27 PM PST by NorthMountain (No longer TEA Party ... I'm the TAF Party)
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To: EVO X
“Living in the midwest where sub zero temps are a possibility, I wouldn't buy a Leaf if I had a 40 mile daily commute and no way to charge it at work. I'd at least want the range of the lower end Tesla S. If you run out juice in the summer it is an inconvenience. If you run out juice in the winter it might lead to frostbite or death.”

If the range of the Leaf makes you feel anxious, then I would recommend the Chevy Volt. As an “extended range electric vehicle,” it has a 40 mile electric range followed by a 340 mile gasoline range. If you plug it in every night, most days you won't use any gasoline at all.

85 posted on 01/09/2015 2:50:50 PM PST by LogicDesigner
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To: LogicDesigner
If you plug it in every night, most days you won't use any gasoline at all.

I currently rent and don't have a convenient place to plug either of them in..

86 posted on 01/09/2015 3:06:21 PM PST by EVO X
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To: TexasGator

In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were
• Coal 39%
• Natural Gas 27%
• Nuclear 19%
• Hydropower 7%
• Other Renewable 6% • Biomass 1.48%
• Geothermal 0.41%
• Solar 0.23%
• Wind 4.13%

• Petroleum 1%
• Other Gases < 1%


87 posted on 01/09/2015 3:11:29 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: CodeToad

Yes but France is 73% nukes.
That was what the thread started with, no?


88 posted on 01/09/2015 3:12:25 PM PST by nascarnation (....)
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To: LogicDesigner

You haven’t counted in that taxpayer funding all the grants towards. You only include direct subsidies to the Volt.

I guess you missed the stories on Nickel mining and cleanup.


89 posted on 01/09/2015 3:17:25 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: nascarnation

Nuclear energy still produces massive amounts of nuclear waste materials that we still don’t know how to dispose of it. To claim there is no waste involved is just a bold faced lie.


90 posted on 01/09/2015 3:18:33 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: LogicDesigner

If electric cars were such a great deal then you wouldn’t need taxpayer funding of any sort. Obviously, electric cars are not worth the money since it takes taxpayers to fund them.


91 posted on 01/09/2015 3:19:57 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: LogicDesigner

When you add up the Tesla taxpayer funded subsidies did you bother to include the $250 million Kali state environmental credits? Did you include that 15% of automakers must have certain vehicles so Tesla sells their credits to other automakers? No? Didn’t think so.

Electric requires taxpayer and other car purchasers to subsidize it because it isn’t commercially viable.

Socialism sucks. It never pays off.


92 posted on 01/09/2015 3:25:04 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: CodeToad
“In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were...”

Thank you for providing the data that supports my statement.

“You haven’t counted in that taxpayer funding all the grants towards.”

Actually that was exactly what I was addressing. Please read the link in case it is not clear (here it is again).

“I guess you missed the stories on Nickel mining and cleanup.”

I guess you missed the fact that electric cars today use lithium ion, not nickel–metal hydride. You are thinking of the Prius.

“Nuclear energy still produces massive amounts of nuclear waste materials that we still don’t know how to dispose of it. To claim there is no waste involved is just a bold faced lie.”

No one claimed that nuclear produces no waste. What we are talking about here is pollution, and so far the U.S. has done an exemplary job preventing nuclear waste from contaminating the environment.

“If electric cars were such a great deal then you wouldn’t need taxpayer funding of any sort. Obviously, electric cars are not worth the money since it takes taxpayers to fund them.”

The same could have been said for the Internet before private enterprise took over. Then there is the space industry, which is now transitioning to the private sector.

If the United States and Europe transition to electric vehicles and it prevents the next oil war in the middle east while at the same time bankrupting Russia, Iran, and Venezuela, then I think there is a definite public interest in encouraging the technology.

93 posted on 01/09/2015 3:45:56 PM PST by LogicDesigner
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To: CodeToad

I’m not a nuclear engineer, or chemist, but my assessment is that this stuff can be buried deep in the earth in Godforsaken places with very little risk. Only political wrangling from people like Harry Reid prevents this from happening.

Having said that, I’m good with carbon spewing fossil fuels too.


94 posted on 01/09/2015 3:57:57 PM PST by nascarnation (....)
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To: CodeToad

You’re wasting your time arguing common sense with the liberal noobs, they believe everything Owl Gore tells them.

Eco-twits are just like feminazis, nothing matters by their agenda.


95 posted on 01/10/2015 4:45:43 AM PST by Beagle8U (NOTICE : Unattended children will be given Coffee and a Free Puppy.)
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To: Beagle8U

Lol, I’ve voted republican all my life. I even supported the Iraq War, at first. However, it is clear now that we would never have gone there if they didn’t have oil.

I guess that after I debunked all your low information fact-free assertions, and you had nothing to come back with, that you have turned to ad hominem attacks.


96 posted on 01/10/2015 6:55:21 AM PST by LogicDesigner
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To: CodeToad

Thank you for supporting my point.


97 posted on 01/10/2015 6:56:33 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: LogicDesigner

Definitely, and that’s a good reason to have one, and why I am seeking whatever EV/hybrid looks in my price range in the coming years when my current car meets it’s later days.


98 posted on 01/10/2015 12:16:07 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: ctdonath2

Can’t you just get a heater for the car, to warm up the battery?


99 posted on 01/10/2015 12:19:31 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: CodeToad

The same is true for many other gas powered cars as well, actually even gasoline is subsidized by the government. We are pretty far from living in a world that is perfectly marketable. Now that actually leads to a bigger question as to why the government would subsidize gasoline to make it cheaper than it would be on its own, when plenty of politicians call it evil.


100 posted on 01/10/2015 12:24:10 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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