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What Couldn’t the F-4 Phantom Do?
Air & Space Magazine ^ | March, 2015 | Stephen Joiner

Posted on 01/23/2015 9:11:46 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

First, they tried an F-104. “Not enough wing or thrust,” recalls Jack Petry, a retired U.S. Air Force colonel. When NASA engineers were launching rockets at Florida’s Cape Canaveral in the 1960s, they needed pilots to fly close enough to film the missiles as they accelerated through Mach 1 at 35,000 feet. Petry was one of the chosen. And the preferred chase airplane was the McDonnell F-4 Phantom.

“Those two J79 engines made all the difference,” says Petry. After a Mach 1.2 dive synched to the launch countdown, he “walked the [rocket’s] contrail” up to the intercept, tweaking closing speed and updating mission control while camera pods mounted under each wing shot film at 900 frames per second. Matching velocity with a Titan rocket for 90 extreme seconds, the Phantom powered through the missile’s thundering wash, then broke away as the rocket surged toward space. Of pacing a Titan II in a two-seat fighter, Petry says: “Absolutely beautiful. To see that massive thing in flight and be right there in the air with it—you can imagine the exhilaration.”

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For nearly four decades of service in the U.S. military, the Phantom performed every combat task thrown at it—almost every mission ever defined.

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In Vietnam, the U.S. Navy used the F-4 for ground attack. (US Navy via D. Sheley)

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1 posted on 01/23/2015 9:11:46 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If they rebuild it (or the F-14) with composites and carbon-carbon and stealthy radar absorbent material... nah, they would still cut it off for the F-35 Blunderbuss


2 posted on 01/23/2015 9:13:40 AM PST by GeronL
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It couldn’t fire guns because it had none?


3 posted on 01/23/2015 9:14:09 AM PST by cll (Serviam!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Glide ratio of a pair of pliers. It proves that if you strap a jet engine to just about anything then it will fly.


4 posted on 01/23/2015 9:14:17 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What couldn’t it do?

They weren’t much of a glider.


5 posted on 01/23/2015 9:15:13 AM PST by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: cll

The one in the photo has a gun in the chin. A late model F-4.


6 posted on 01/23/2015 9:16:16 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Marines had plenty of them.
Salute VMFAT-201.


7 posted on 01/23/2015 9:18:55 AM PST by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
What Couldn’t the F-4 Phantom Do?

Sneak up on anything. The F-4 was originally an experiment to turn jet fuel into noise and smoke. Flight was an unexpected but useful side effect.

8 posted on 01/23/2015 9:21:10 AM PST by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Glide?


9 posted on 01/23/2015 9:22:03 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: CrazyIvan

“They weren’t much of a glider.”

Actually, the F-4 wasn’t all that bad. A Cessna has about a 500 foot per minute glide decent rate at 65 knots, which gives it a 500 foot per mile glide ratio. An F-4 is just half that at 1000 foot per mile glide ratio. Not all that bad, really.


10 posted on 01/23/2015 9:22:29 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: KarlInOhio

Excellent description.


11 posted on 01/23/2015 9:23:21 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: CodeToad

And a brick is about 1,200?


12 posted on 01/23/2015 9:26:26 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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13 posted on 01/23/2015 9:27:50 AM PST by Bobalu (Programming is the art of adding bugs to an empty text file)
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To: WayneS

1,100 or so. hehe


14 posted on 01/23/2015 9:28:37 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: cll

That was a big drawback (which was later remedied). An odd oversight, considering earlier dogfights with MiGs during the Korean War.


15 posted on 01/23/2015 9:28:53 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The F-4s could deal with the MiGs, so my dad and his fellow Thud pilots had a better chance of completing their missions and making it home.


16 posted on 01/23/2015 9:28:53 AM PST by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’ll bet a JDAM has a better glide ratio. Just a guess.


17 posted on 01/23/2015 9:30:29 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I grew up in the early 70’s on a farm that was on a common flight path for F-4’s. This was before supersonic flight was banned. They were loud and would scare the poo out of you when they would make low level supersonic flights over our house. Had more than our fair share of broken windows.


18 posted on 01/23/2015 9:36:50 AM PST by IamConservative (If fighting fire with fire is a good idea, why do the pros use water?)
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To: KarlInOhio
So true. The drag on the double ugly made it unique to fly. As long as there was gas and two engines burning it would blow throught the air.

Eliminate gas or the engines and it became ballistically equal to a brick striving to prove that gravity always win.

Also nose up (high alpha) approaching stall speed the rudder became ineffective and it said so in the -1 owner's manual.

You fell off wherever the beast wanted to go. The Navy gave the USAF the AOA indicator and it made a difference in how well you slept at night!

19 posted on 01/23/2015 9:37:08 AM PST by pfflier
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To: kearnyirish2; cll

There was a period of time - in the late ‘50s and early ‘60s, I believe - during which accepted Air Force doctrine and policy was that there would be no more dogfights. That dogfights couldn’t happen anymore because closing speeds and angular rates were so high that human reaction times wouldn’t be able to deal with a dogfight.

Air Force thinking was - for a time - that everything would depend on air-to-air missiles and other stand-off capabilities.

Perhaps the lack of guns on the Phantom was a result of this policy.


20 posted on 01/23/2015 9:37:20 AM PST by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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