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Europe's Austerity Moment Is Ending (Greek election)
The Atlantic ^ | 25 January 2015 | Matt Schiavenza

Posted on 01/25/2015 6:01:49 PM PST by Lorianne

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To: Lorianne

The Greeks are going to build a big, wooden horse and give it to Obama. They might give him the horse, too.


21 posted on 01/25/2015 6:27:53 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Zhang Fei

Even a minimal welfare state will be hard to fund due to the lack of cash.

Realistically both the EU and the new incoming Syriza government have very few options. The EU wants to be repaid, and Greece wants the leash loosened so it can stimulate its economy.

Finding the right formula to do that is the next stage of this long-running drama.


22 posted on 01/25/2015 6:31:39 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Steely Tom

Not a figure for me.....


23 posted on 01/25/2015 6:33:36 PM PST by Fungi (There is apparent age and absolute age. Think about it.)
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To: Lorianne

Well here’s the thing. If the rich don’t get to rip off the government, why shouldn’t the poor?


24 posted on 01/25/2015 6:35:14 PM PST by yldstrk
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To: Obadiah

Greece still mad at Germany from the Second World War. Apparently, Germany paid some countries for what they destroyed by did not pay Greece. Now Greece could embrace austerity and put itself back on its feet eventually, but chooses not to. Long memories, according to a friend.

Europe tried to be the United States of Europe but it’s not working out that well. Too many millennia of fighting one another.


25 posted on 01/25/2015 6:37:40 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand

by = but


26 posted on 01/25/2015 6:40:02 PM PST by firebrand
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To: goldstategop; Krosan
Realistically both the EU and the new incoming Syriza government have very few options.

The EU has plenty of options, up to and including attaching* its claims to all Greek transactions overseas, on pain of EU sanctions. Syriza has very few. Maybe if a latter-day Alexander can conquer the EU for Greece...

* That would be drastic - even the US hasn't gone that far, although it does remain a policy option. Remember how Argentina lost is flagship to its hedge fund creditors? The EU could do that to Greece, only much more systematically, since they can punish countries that transact with Greece much more systematically than hedge funds could Argentina.

27 posted on 01/25/2015 6:42:19 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
"Greece imports most of its needs"

If they default on their debt, how can they continue to do that? And how can they INCREASE social spending?
28 posted on 01/25/2015 6:45:29 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I recall several decades ago reading that 30% of Italy's economy was underground. With oppressive economic policies, it's either that or go out of business.

When I have work done at my home it is not uncommon for the service provider to say, "If you pay with cash the bill will be reduced by 20%."

29 posted on 01/25/2015 6:45:37 PM PST by Cry if I Wanna
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To: goldstategop
And things are so bad in Greece people don’t see a radical leftist party like Syriza making things worse. But at least they have hope.

Only in Greece does a drowning man find hope from grabbing on to an anvil.

30 posted on 01/25/2015 6:45:44 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

One of the best trips of my life. Athens, Santorini, & Paros. Fabulous beaches, food, and history.


31 posted on 01/25/2015 6:49:31 PM PST by gatorhead
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To: goldstategop

...”at least it would be Greeks making the decisions, not international lenders and that would be good in the long run both for Greece and for Europe”....

Not so sure it will play out that way though...I tend to think another deal will be struck in order to keep Greece in the EU...not because they want them, but because they don’t want pthers following the same path.


32 posted on 01/25/2015 6:52:49 PM PST by caww
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To: Zhang Fei

Bingo! They have elected a “Santa Claus,” blindly hoping that the new guy will continue down the socialist path and everything is fine. Nonsense. The clock for the US is ticking too, ever faster and faster....


33 posted on 01/25/2015 6:53:10 PM PST by Fungi (There is apparent age and absolute age. Think about it.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Sounds like they will go ‘double austerity’ to me.

Cause any money from the European Union will stop.


34 posted on 01/25/2015 6:54:38 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
It's hard to see how they don't realize this.

"Buddy, you have no money. You're tapped out. I mean: no money!"
"Okay, how about if I spend less, would that be good?"
"That would be good."
"Okay, I'll spend less. But only for a week, alright? Then I'm going on a cruise. I figure after a whole week of austerity, I'll have earned a little vacay."
"Whatever, dude."

35 posted on 01/25/2015 6:57:28 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Malort, turning taste-buds into taste-foes for generations.)
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To: BobL
"Yep, good for Grease - they are telling Germany and others to SHOVE IT. I love it."

???...

36 posted on 01/25/2015 6:59:05 PM PST by unread
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To: ctdonath2

Someone once said, “War is the continuation of politics by other means.”


37 posted on 01/25/2015 6:59:41 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Zhang Fei

....”Only in Greece does a drowning man find hope from grabbing on to an anvil.”....

Pretty much how I see it as well....false hope in this guy...they’ll soon find their limited in what they can do.

They overspent for decades, then cried for help... they mistakenly think 5 years would be enough after a lifetime of how they got themselves into this mess?


38 posted on 01/25/2015 7:01:08 PM PST by caww
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To: ClearCase_guy

Stick your hand in the pot of the IMF and World Bank...you are going to pay for dealing with “loan sharks”....


39 posted on 01/25/2015 7:02:25 PM PST by caww
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To: ctdonath2

Russia already took over Crimea. It has a massive presence in Cyprus. Greece isn’t too far, and Russia could start by buying up islands or offering massive debt for land collateral loans.


40 posted on 01/25/2015 7:02:53 PM PST by tbw2
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